Puig [Pedrosa's mentor] highly critical of Simoncelli move **Spolier Alert ** - 600RR.net
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-15-2011, 02:38 PM Thread Starter
Knee Dragger
 
BizaRRo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Chapel Hill, NC
Posts: 111
Images: 14
Thanks: 2
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Puig [Pedrosa's mentor] highly critical of Simoncelli move **Spolier Alert **

From MotoGP website

Dani Pedrosaís mentor was extremely angry after the Repsol Honda rider was left with a broken collarbone following a crash at Le Mans on Sunday, having come together with Marco Simoncelli during the race.

Alberto Puig was strong in his criticism of Marco Simoncelli following an incident during the Monster Energy Grand Prix de France on Sunday. The Italian rider was given a ride through penalty for a manoeuvre on Dani Pedrosa which caused the Spaniard to crash, a fall which resulted in a broken right collarbone for the Repsol Honda rider.

Pedrosaís mentor Puig said: ďYouíve seen what happened, we canít say much, itís a complete disaster. The images speak for themselves. For a long while the fact that Simoncelli is dangerous has been talked about, and I believe he really is ignorant, that he doesnít understand anything about whatís going on. Now the damage has already been done, it seems he (Pedrosa) has a broken collarbone and it has ruined another season.Ē

Puig continued: ďI canít say much more, itís completely outrageous. This guy has to be reprimanded, I hope the Security Commission does something because this isnít the first time. He was already warned in Estoril, Lorenzo spoke with him, and it seems he doesnít take notice of anyone.Ē

ďItís a serious thing. For starters the manoeuvre is wrong, because Dani had taken the position but he (Simoncelli) has tried to force it. Secondly, heís made somebody crash and break a bone. This is something serious.Ē

Asked about Pedrosaís Championship hopes after the fourth round crash, Puig responded: ďIf you break a bone in the middle of a Championship, itís complicated.Ē

He added: ďWe have called for something to be done, and if it isnít done then itís because they donít know how to do it. I donít know. Now the most important thing is to see how Dani is, get him home and see what needs to be done. It really is a disaster but the real problem is this guy (Simoncelli), who is ignorant and doesnít understand anything.Ē

Doctor Claudio Macchiagodena of the Clinica Mobile said of Pedrosaís injury: ďDani has fractured the right collarbone in the crash. The middle part of the collarbone is broken, but I donít think it is too bad. We need to do more tests and I think itís better theyíre done in Barcelona. After that we will see whether he needs an operation or not.Ē
BizaRRo is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-15-2011, 02:46 PM
World Superbike Racer
 
stex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Hempstead (Hofstra U) NY
Posts: 1,991
Images: 12
Thanks: 13
Thanked 34 Times in 28 Posts
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
Pedrosa ;((((((( noooo i wanna cry...
I like simonceli but i didnt watch thenrace gonna watch it at 6pm today...

He did great so far and now another collarbone damn... Feel rly bad for him


cbr 600 RR 2004
Driven D3's
DDM HID 55w 6k high/low
CRG Adjustable Levers (Gray)

www.facebook.com/stexmne
R.I.P. Phatstud
BB Pin 23BC2D2B
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowflake View Post
4. I believe you are born with the motorcycle fever in your blood
stex is offline  
post #3 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-15-2011, 02:51 PM
BOTM Winner 03/13
 
Sun-Zoom-Spark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Scotland
Posts: 3,143
Images: 175
Thanks: 599
Thanked 245 Times in 156 Posts
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
I don't know what any of you guys think but, in my opinion, the Pedrosa/Simocelli crash was just a racing incident. It was unfortunate that Pedrosa broke his collar bone, but this is big boy motor racing, not club level or track day stuff.

1. Simoncelli passed Pedrosa
2. Pedrosa fought back and was ahead going down the straight
3. Simoncelli was faster into the next corner and was ahead of Pedrosa. Pedrosa had the inside line, but not necessarily the corner.

I like Pedrosa, but if he wasn't willing to take the risk of something like this happening then he shouldn't have tried to defend the inside line when Simoncelli was a wheel ahead (albeit on the outside). You just know that, at this level, every position counts and a guy like Simoncelli, with nothing to lose, is going to fight hard every time.

The ride through penalty was a disgrace. We didn't see Rossi get a ride through in Jerez, or Lorenzo get a ride through earlier on in the race for his audacious move on Dovizioso. Where is the consistency?

Also, maybe this thread title should have a spoiler alert for those who have not yet watched the race.

Last edited by Sun-Zoom-Spark; 05-15-2011 at 02:53 PM.
Sun-Zoom-Spark is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to Sun-Zoom-Spark For This Useful Post:
makct04 (05-15-2011)
 
post #4 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-15-2011, 03:05 PM
Pocketbike Racer
 
RCV600's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 306
Thanks: 11
Thanked 21 Times in 18 Posts
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by rr3 View Post
I don't know what any of you guys think but, in my opinion, the Pedrosa/Simocelli crash was just a racing incident. It was unfortunate that Pedrosa broke his collar bone, but this is big boy motor racing, not club level or track day stuff.

1. Simoncelli passed Pedrosa
2. Pedrosa fought back and was ahead going down the straight
3. Simoncelli was faster into the next corner and was ahead of Pedrosa. Pedrosa had the inside line, but not necessarily the corner.

I like Pedrosa, but if he wasn't willing to take the risk of something like this happening then he shouldn't have tried to defend the inside line when Simoncelli was a wheel ahead (albeit on the outside). You just know that, at this level, every position counts and a guy like Simoncelli, with nothing to lose, is going to fight hard every time.

The ride through penalty was a disgrace. We didn't see Rossi get a ride through in Jerez, or Lorenzo get a ride through earlier on in the race for his audacious move on Dovizioso. Where is the consistency?

Also, maybe this thread title should have a spoiler alert for those who have not yet watched the race.
i agree


Future Mods:
-Tires
-Gas
RCV600 is offline  
post #5 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-15-2011, 04:04 PM
Pocketbike Racer
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 389
Thanks: 28
Thanked 78 Times in 53 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
First off Race Direction enforces rules seemingly arbitrarily. There seems no consistency in how they hand out penalties. If Rossi had done that no penalty would have been enforced. Unfortunately for Simo, he was the discussion of safe over passing maneuvers this entire week so they had to make a decision.

As for the maneuver imho the problem was that Simo turned in to the corner then mid corner changed his line and cut off Pedrosa's nose. Pedrosa's only option was to stand it up and try to brake , unfortunately that option meant he hit Simo's rear tire and ended up with a collar bone.

I like SuperSic but as Ben has said, sometimes when he passes your not really sure even he knows exactly what he is doing to do, it just sorta happens.
BehindTheGreenDoor is offline  
post #6 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-15-2011, 09:18 PM
Moto GP Racer
 
fallingbomb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Posts: 3,191
Thanks: 108
Thanked 167 Times in 143 Posts
Feedback Score: 3 reviews
I thought Simoncelli left enough room for Dani on the inside. To me it looked like Dani was unable to hold the inside line and stood the bike up and hit the back of Simoncelli.

2007 CBR600RR -- CVMA #270 -- Pictures -- Build Thread
fallingbomb is offline  
post #7 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-16-2011, 12:06 AM
AMA Supersport Racer
 
trackscoot22's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 697
Thanks: 19
Thanked 22 Times in 20 Posts
Feedback Score: 28 reviews
Doesn't seem that GP was always so controversial, used to be that the better rider was more obvious to all. This incident a good example, half blame Simo, half do not.

has GP become similar to modern Nascar tactics?

.
"...just let go of the brakes and let the bike on through..." - Guy Martin
trackscoot22 is offline  
post #8 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-16-2011, 01:44 AM
cyclesector.com

 
Disco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: San Diego
Posts: 13,432
Images: 31
Thanks: 5
Thanked 224 Times in 168 Posts
Feedback Score: 85 reviews
I crashed last week from a move just like that! Here is my vid:


I can see that Simoncelli at least left some room for Dani, and if Dani had held a tight line he might have made it.

As much as I like Simoncelli and regretted not seeing him on the podium, I do think he rushed that pass though. He doesnt seem to have much patience for passing, which is one of the things I like about him, although in this case he really could have let Dani take that corner and pass him on the next one. It really sucks that Dani suffered a broken collar bone.

Marco is bringing back the excitement of GP IMO. I'm looking forward to seeing him fight for the top position in the next round!

Disco is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to Disco For This Useful Post:
FlipDiver79 (05-16-2011)
post #9 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-16-2011, 02:05 AM
gee
Overpaid South Pacific Barista overactive ADHD crew off their meds!!
 
gee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: a day ahead
Posts: 27,367
Thanks: 190
Thanked 43 Times in 41 Posts
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
haha
MS is a tool on the track..kid thinks he can muscle his way thru people, playing games......trying too be a bit of a bully, watch that move a few times and when you turn across the top of someone they reallly have nowhere too go......i feel race control got it right in this case....Marco will be checked , but more than likely , by honda, rather than FIM...suddenly his bike might not be as quick as the repsols of CS and Dovis......


IGOT new stuff ...disco helped me good!!!


Quote:
Originally Posted by gee View Post
Yes, I agree 100%, Canon Cameras SUCK! .
gee is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to gee For This Useful Post:
napvid (05-16-2011)
post #10 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-16-2011, 09:09 AM
Pocketbike Racer
 
napvid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Rockledge, FL
Posts: 337
Thanks: 38
Thanked 33 Times in 25 Posts
Feedback Score: 3 reviews
^^ Absolutely!! Not sure what race some of y'all were watching but Pedrosa definitely owned the inside line. Simoncelli broke late and cut of the inside line when they were more than half way through the turn. IMO that's reckless racing and uncalled for.

09 Frame Slider install
----------------------------------
09 Phoenix
Hyperflo C/F Exhaust-Billet tips
Bazzaz ZFI With Quick Shifter
Bazzaz AFM
Bazzaz Z-Bomb
Forward Powersports 525 -1/+2
Pazzo Shorty Levers-Black with Gold Adjusters
Anodized Gold Swing-arm Spools, Bar-Ends With RR Stamp & Wind-screen Bolts
White Vortex Frame Sliders
OEM Pearl White Solo Cowl
H/B Flush Mounts
Tinted Windscreen
C/A Integrator & F/E
Cortech mini Tank Bag

napvid is offline  
post #11 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-16-2011, 09:18 AM
Pocketbike Racer
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 268
Thanks: 17
Thanked 11 Times in 10 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Simoncelli rides crazy. It's exciting to watch but I can see why other riders may start to treat him like a black sheep.
obnoxious2 is offline  
post #12 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-16-2011, 10:32 AM
BOTM Winner 8/12 / Super Moderator
 
CBR Time's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 12,223
Images: 45
Thanks: 2,141
Thanked 1,043 Times in 921 Posts
Feedback Score: 12 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by obnoxious2 View Post
Simoncelli rides crazy. It's exciting to watch but I can see why other riders may start to treat him like a black sheep.
do we know if he spoke with Dani yet?
CBR Time is offline  
post #13 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-16-2011, 11:48 AM
World Superbike Racer
 
powermoose1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 2,023
Images: 63
Thanks: 0
Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts
Feedback Score: 12 reviews
The pass was close, but I watch a lot of motorcycle racing, and I see guys cut the nose off of other guys in corners all the time. The question for me is, why didn't Dani force Simo wider on corner entry? He had a gap on him before the brakes, but he didn't claim the apex and force Simo in behind.

Dani did not have any aggression in his pass. As usual, he let the power of the Honda and his weight advantage retake the position. But, he neglected to block the racing line.

Simo is like a pitbull. Don't show him a piece of meat and then ask him nicely not to take it.

As for Puig. Who cares? I have hated him since Hayden/Dani...



www.LMGTFY.com --> give it a try before you ask

Thanks for driving that hybrid...and saving all the gas for me!
powermoose1 is offline  
post #14 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-16-2011, 11:50 AM
World Superbike Racer
 
powermoose1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 2,023
Images: 63
Thanks: 0
Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts
Feedback Score: 12 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by CBR Time View Post
do we know if he spoke with Dani yet?
Dani left straight-away for Barcelona to see his specialist. Poor little guy has probably put all that Dr's kids through college...



www.LMGTFY.com --> give it a try before you ask

Thanks for driving that hybrid...and saving all the gas for me!
powermoose1 is offline  
post #15 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-16-2011, 02:06 PM
Knee Dragger
 
netputty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Boston, MA
Posts: 103
Thanks: 3
Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by powermoose1 View Post
The pass was close, but I watch a lot of motorcycle racing, and I see guys cut the nose off of other guys in corners all the time. The question for me is, why didn't Dani force Simo wider on corner entry? He had a gap on him before the brakes, but he didn't claim the apex and force Simo in behind.

Dani did not have any aggression in his pass. As usual, he let the power of the Honda and his weight advantage retake the position. But, he neglected to block the racing line.

Simo is like a pitbull. Don't show him a piece of meat and then ask him nicely not to take it.

As for Puig. Who cares? I have hated him since Hayden/Dani...
I agree. YouTube has front and rear camera angles for this, and it's easy to see two things. The first is that Pedrosa doesn't protect his line, and the second is that Simoncelli is ahead of Pedrosa by half a bike length when he turns in. I don't understand why Dani would stand the bike up and not just force a tighter turn to let Marco push him off line.

My vote goes to Simoncelli.

CCS North East Expert #623 - 2007 CBR 600RR
netputty is offline  
post #16 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-16-2011, 03:02 PM
Pocketbike Racer
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Costa Mesa
Posts: 387
Thanks: 2
Thanked 38 Times in 31 Posts
Feedback Score: 3 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by gee View Post
haha
MS is a tool on the track..kid thinks he can muscle his way thru people, playing games......trying too be a bit of a bully, watch that move a few times and when you turn across the top of someone they reallly have nowhere too go......i feel race control got it right in this case....Marco will be checked , but more than likely , by honda, rather than FIM...suddenly his bike might not be as quick as the repsols of CS and Dovis......
This. ^^^

What goes around comes around. Not only will the bike not be as good, but the other riders will race him tougher than ever. There's no need to stuff a guy and crash him out. It wasn't a 'racing incident', it was a guy showing a disregard for the consequences of his aggressive maneuvers.

What's lame is that Simoncelli is very fast and there's no need for him to do that. It's stupid. There were plenty of clean passes in the race made by other riders.

2009 CBR1000RR
2007 CBR600RR
RAMTARD is offline  
post #17 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-16-2011, 03:16 PM
AMA Supersport Racer
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 1,377
Thanks: 131
Thanked 61 Times in 49 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
I'm kinda split between both sides. I agree that it was a "racing incident" and it's just an occupational hazard but at the same time Marco was being very agressive and he had been called out for being too aggressive in the past. Also, Rossi himself (who is good friends with Marco) said that the move was too aggressive. If you're own buddy is not taking your side what does that tell you? To me it looked like Marco took DP's (hehe D.P.) line giving hime nowhere to really go.
RedisFaster is offline  
post #18 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-16-2011, 04:05 PM
Too short to drag knee.
 
makct04's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 6,484
Thanks: 399
Thanked 251 Times in 214 Posts
Feedback Score: 11 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by RAMTARD View Post
This. ^^^

What goes around comes around. Not only will the bike not be as good, but the other riders will race him tougher than ever. There's no need to stuff a guy and crash him out. It wasn't a 'racing incident', it was a guy showing a disregard for the consequences of his aggressive maneuvers.

What's lame is that Simoncelli is very fast and there's no need for him to do that. It's stupid. There were plenty of clean passes in the race made by other riders.
Like the one that Lorenzo made on Dovi early in the race?

LRRS/CCS AM #521

makct04 is offline  
post #19 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-16-2011, 05:58 PM Thread Starter
Knee Dragger
 
BizaRRo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Chapel Hill, NC
Posts: 111
Images: 14
Thanks: 2
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Quote:
What goes around comes around. Not only will the bike not be as good, but the other riders will race him tougher than ever. There's no need to stuff a guy and crash him out. It wasn't a 'racing incident', it was a guy showing a disregard for the consequences of his aggressive maneuvers.

What's lame is that Simoncelli is very fast and there's no need for him to do that. It's stupid. There were plenty of clean passes in the race made by other riders.


Well said!!
BizaRRo is offline  
post #20 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-17-2011, 09:17 AM
Tas
Pocketbike Racer
 
Tas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 294
Thanks: 7
Thanked 9 Times in 7 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by fallingbomb View Post
i thought simoncelli left enough room for dani on the inside. To me it looked like dani was unable to hold the inside line and stood the bike up and hit the back of simoncelli.

"Fragile. Do not drop."
Tas is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the 600RR.net forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome