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Ducati to Open class MotoGP

Ducati moves to open class, here is my theory.

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/200...togp-2014.html

It's an obvious choice and here are the reasons why.

1. They get more fuel 24, vs 20
2. 12 engines vs 5 and a freeze
3 Extra softer tire option
4. Testing is open to tire limit 120, vs only being able to test at "official" events

BUT here is the big kicker...

They are using the spec Magneti Marelli ECU package, (The same brand of ECU they have been using prior to moving to open) and before their announcement the ECU got a larger software update. They are practically running a factory bike with 24 liters of fuel, this explains why their times are a lot better in testing. Before they were around 6 and 7th respectfully and now have moved up to 4th and 5th positions.

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I think the move is kind of underhanded but they haven't been competitive in years so I guess they had to do something.
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arent the new open class hondas that Hayden is on running the MagMar ECM too?? they have been good in past seasons, ill laugh if they beat the factory Ducs

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Derp, double post.

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arent the new open class hondas that Hayden is on running the MagMar ECM too?? they have been good in past seasons, ill laugh if they beat the factory Ducs
Yeah, but they are using head with tradition spring operated valves, the Yamaha is using a Pneumatic valve system. The Pneumatic valves helps with valve float and lets them rev the bike higher and more consistently

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arent the new open class hondas that Hayden is on running the MagMar ECM too?? they have been good in past seasons, ill laugh if they beat the factory Ducs
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Yeah, but they are using head with tradition spring operated valves, the Yamaha is using a Pneumatic valve system. The Pneumatic valves helps with valve float and lets them rev the bike higher and more consistently

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Yamaha is using 2013 Factory bikes (minus the seamless) for the "Open" bikes. Also as mentioned, the big ECU upgrade for the open class came 2 days before Ducati switched to "Open". The open Honda probably was still using the old software.


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Yamaha is using 2013 Factory bikes (minus the seamless) for the "Open" bikes. Also as mentioned, the big ECU upgrade for the open class came 2 days before Ducati switched to "Open". The open Honda probably was still using the old software.
Looks like Yamaha also uses the MagMar ECU, so that leaves Honda out.
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Looks like Yamaha also uses the MagMar ECU, so that leaves Honda out.
You have to use the MagMar ECU in Open. Honda is using it too on the open bikes. The problem is that Honda built a brand new bike for the Open class, meant to be exactly what the class stated it was. Cheap, running standard software. No one else is following that, minus the few bikes running Kawi/Aprilia stuff.


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Dall’Igna ‘very happy’ with Ducati progress

Gigi Dall’Igna has expressed his contentment with Ducati Team’s first pre-season test following the decision to go ‘Open’ for the 2014 season.

Although the Phillip Island programme of Monday to Wednesday was tyre-focused, as Factory riders worked alongside Bridgestone, Dall’Igna is also pleased with the general advancements of the team.

"For sure, there are some options that are quite good for the race," the General Manager of Ducati Corse began of the tyres. "The lap times were good in comparison with last year’s tyre and also the race simulations we did gave us some really good results and the tyres have no problems. I think Bridgestone have done a good job.

"We have just focused on the tyres. For sure, we have to confirm here the good results we had at Sepang. I am really happy because Sepang and Phillip Island are two completely different tracks and the bike seems quite good at the moment on both of them. I am quite happy. We have to improve the bike a lot to reach our competitors but, anyway, we are on the right track."

Testing will resume on Friday in Qatar, where Ducati will continue working with its Open machines with Pramac Racing’s Andrea Iannone and Yonny Hernandez. The Italian will arguably have the more important of development tasks for the marque in general, as he will be riding the sole GP14 on which he can use the softer available tyre for further development before Round 1.



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You have to use the MagMar ECU in Open. Honda is using it too on the open bikes. The problem is that Honda built a brand new bike for the Open class, meant to be exactly what the class stated it was. Cheap, running standard software. No one else is following that, minus the few bikes running Kawi/Aprilia stuff.

I know, I was meaning Yamaha uses it on their factory bike.
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