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Moto GP Engine Use 2015

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MotoGP Argentina: Updated engine use list 22 April 2015
Number of engines used by each rider so far in MotoGP 2015.

The following list shows the number of engines in use (or 'opened') by each MotoGP rider as of warm-up in Argentina, round 3 of 18.

'Withdrawn' means that an engine cannot be used again.

The Factory class Honda and Yamaha riders are restricted to five engines for the season, while the others have a maximum of 12 engines available.

Factory class:
Marco Melandri (Aprilia): 5 engines [1 withdrawn]

Andrea Iannone*** (Ducati): 3 engines
Marc Marquez* (Honda): 3 engines
Alvaro Bautista (Aprilia): 3 engines

Valentino Rossi (Yamaha): 2 engines
Jorge Lorenzo (Yamaha): 2 engines
Bradley Smith (Yamaha): 2 engines
Pol Espargaro (Yamaha): 2 engines
Andrea Dovizioso (Ducati): 2 engines
Danilo Petrucci (Ducati): 2 engines
Yonny Hernandez** (Ducati): 2 engines
Dani Pedrosa (Honda): 2 engines
Cal Crutchlow (Honda): 2 engines
Scott Redding (Honda): 2 engines
Aleix Espargaro (Suzuki): 2 engines
Maverick Vinales (Suzuki): 2 engines
Alex de Angelis (Aprilia): 2 engines

* Marquez suffered an engine problem during qualifying in Texas, requiring a third engine to be opened. However none of Marquez's engines have been withdrawn, meaning the Texas engine could return to use after being checked.

** Hernandez's bike caught fire during the race in Argentina, after this engine list was issued.

*** Iannone suffered an engine issue during practice in Argentina but, as with Marquez, while a third engine was opened no engines have yet been withdrawn.

Open class:
Stefan Bradl (Yamaha Forward): 3 engines [1 withdrawn]
Karel Abraham (Honda): 3 engines
Jack Miller (Honda): 3 engines

Loris Baz (Yamaha Forward): 2 engines
Hector Barbera (Ducati): 2 engines
Mike di Meglio (Ducati): 2 engines
Eugene Laverty (Honda): 2 engines
Nicky Hayden (Honda): 2 engines
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Post Jerez: Round 4 of 18
Factory Teams (5 engines)

Repsol Honda – Though not yet listed as Withdrawn From Allocation on the official sheet, engine #2 in Marquez’ set of five was damaged at CotA, as he admitted to MotoMatters. This engine was raced at Losail, then failed during Q2 in Austin, forcing Marquez to park the bike against the pit wall and sprint back to his box for his second bike. His engine #3 was placed into use for the CotA warm up, then raced in Argentina. So Marquez has four engines for the remainder of the season, with engine #1 having been raced twice and #3 having been raced once. Engines #4 and #5 have not yet been opened.

Pedrosa’s allotment has been used by Hiro Aoyama since the CotA round, and only engine #1 has been raced. He has three engines unopened.

Movistar Yamaha – Rossi has three unopened engines, having raced #1 twice and #2 twice.

Lorenzo has three unopened engines, having raced #1 once and #2 three times.

Tech 3 Yamaha – Pol Espargaro has three unopened engines, having raced #1 once and #2 three times.

Smith has three unopened engines, having used #1 in the first three races and #2 at Jerez.

LCR Honda – Crutchlow has raced engine #2 four times, and has three unopened engines.

Marc VDC Honda – Redding has three unopened engines, having raced engine #2 at Losail and engine #1 in the following three rounds.

Factory Option Teams (12 engines)

Ducati – Of his 12 engines, Dovizioso opened #3 at Jerez and used it in the race, having used #2 in the first two rounds and #1 in the third round.

Iannone raced engine #1 in the first two rounds, engine #2 in Argentina, and #3 in Jerez. Engine #1 was withdrawn from allocation after Q2 at Jerez, though it had not been used since FP1 of round 3. He has 11 engines remaining.

Pramac Ducati – Petrucci has opened three engines, racing #1 in the first three rounds and #3 at Jerez. #2 has not been raced yet.

Hernandez has opened three engines. #1 was raced at CotA, #2 was raced at Losail, then Argentina, then withdrawn from allocation. At Jerez he opened engine #3 and used it in every session, including the race. He has 11 engines remaining.

Ecstar Suzuki – Aleix Espargaro has opened two engines and raced #1 in each of the first four races.

Viņales has opened two engines, racing #2 at Losail and #1 in the next three rounds.

Gresini Aprilia – Melandri is the only rider to have removed two engines from allocation. #1 was used in three sessions at Losail, then removed from allocation after qualifying. Engine #2 was used at the first four rounds, though never raced, then removed from allocation as of the Jerez warm up. At Losail, Melandri’s engine #3 was opened for warm up, then used in the race. At CotA Engine #3 was used in each session he rode (all but Q2) including the warm up, but then has not been used since. Engine #4 was used for the CotA warm up, then raced. It was used for FP sessions in rounds 3 and 4. Engine #4 was opened for warm up and then raced in Argentina, then not used again until warm up and then raced at Jerez. Melandri has 10 engines available.

Bautista has opened four engines, having raced all but #1. All four engines were used at least once at Jerez. Similar to Melandri’s use, Bautista also opened an engine for warm up and then raced it at rounds 2 and 4. Bautista has 12 engines available.

Open Teams (12 engines)

Athena Forward Yamaha – Bradl has opened three engines and raced #3 in each the four rounds to date. Engine #1 was removed from allocation at Losail, having been used for only two seasons, FP2 and FP3. He has 11 engines available.

Baz has opened two engines, racing #1 in the first three rounds and #2 at Jerez. He has 12 engines available.

Aspar Honda – Hayden has opened two engines, using #1 in the first race, then #2 in the following three races. He has 12 engines available.

Laverty has opened two engines, using #1 in the first race, then #2 in the following three races. He has 12 engines available.

Cardion AB Honda – Abraham has opened three engines. #1 was raced at Losail and used in each round since, but removed from allocation as of the Jerez warm up. Engine #3 was raced at rounds 2, 3 and 4. He has 11 engines available.

LCR Honda – Miller has opened three engines, racing #2 in the first two rounds and #1 in the next two rounds. #3 has been used in practice at Argentina and Jerez but not raced. He has 12 engines available.

Avintia Ducati – Barbera has opened two engines, racing #1 in the first, third and fourth rounds. He has 12 engines available.

Di Meglio has opened two engines, racing #1 in the first, third and fourth rounds. He has 12 engines available.

IodaRacing Aprilia – DeAngelis has opened two engines, having raced each twice. He has 12 engines available

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Factory Teams (5 engines)

Movistar Yamaha – Rossi has raced #1 three times and #2 twice. At Mugello he opened #3 and raced it.

Lorenzo ‘s engine use mirrors Rossi’s almost to the session. Each raced #1 at Losail, #2 at CotA, #2 at Rio Hondo, #1 at Jerez, #1 at Le Mans. Each opened #3 for FP3 at Mugello and then raced #3.

Including the races, FP and QP sessions, there have been only seven instances of 42 sessions where Lorenzo used a different engine number for that session. The remaining 35 sessions were the same on the data sheets for Rossi vs Lorenzo engine use. Coincidence? Or part of Yamaha’s use strategy? Only those inside Yamaha know for sure.

Tech 3 Yamaha – Bradley Smith’s engine use is remarkably similar to that of Rossi and Lorenzo. He also opened #3 for FP3 at Mugello and then raced that engine. Previously his race engine use matches Rossi’s and Lorenzo’s except for Losail, where he raced #2 instead of #1. There is more variety of engine use during FP and QP sessions for Smith as he has more sessions were he used both bikes instead of only one, as Rossi and Lorenzo did during comparable sessions.

Pol Espargaro started out on the same plan as Rossi and Lorenzo, but deviated by opening #3 at Jerez and then racing #2. Pol then raced #3 at Le Mans and again at Mugello, so he’s a bit early to the 3 Opened Yamaha Engines Club, and thus he has more miles on his #3 engine than Smith, Rossi or Lorenzo.

All four of the Factory Yamaha riders have two unopened engines.

Repsol Honda – Though still not listed as Withdrawn From Allocation on the official sheet (and perhaps it never will be), engine #2 in Marquez’ set of five was damaged at CotA, as he admitted to MotoMatters. This engine saw very limited use for a lump expected to last one fifth of an 18-round season. The doomed #2 was used for FP3, FP4, Q2, W-Up (shared duty with #1), and the race at Losail, then at CotA FP1, FP2 (shared duty with #1), FP3 (shared duty with #1), FP4 (shared duty with #1) before it failed in Q2, forcing Marquez to park the bike against the pit wall and sprint back to his box for his second bike. Considering that some Honda engines, such as Crutchlow’s #2 and Pedrosa’s #1, have raced FIVE times with shared Practice and Qualifying use and are still going, Marquez’ #2 was quite unusual.

His engine #3 was placed into use for the CotA warm up, then raced in Argentina. #1 returned to race service at Jerez, then #3 raced at Le Mans and Mugello. Engines #4 and #5 have not yet been opened, but again, it appears that #2 is out for good and that Marquez is down to four engines for the rest of the season.

Pedrosa’s allotment, used by Hiro Aoyama at CotA, Rio Hondo and Jerez, saw only engine #1 used in races until Mugello, where #2 was raced for the first time. Pedrosa has two engines unopened as #3 was opened and used in the Warm Up (shared duty with #2) at Muggello. #3 is at the very beginning of its use with only the shared Mugello Warm-up so far, and #2 has only raced once.

LCR Honda – Crutchlow’s engine use closely mirrors Pedrosa’s, except Crutchlow has yet to open a third engine. He raced #2 in each of the first five rounds, then raced #1 at Mugello. He still has three unopened engines.

Marc VDC Honda – Redding also has three unopened engines, having raced #1 three times and #2 three times.

So of the factory Hondas, Marquez and Pedrosa both have two unopened engines, while Redding and Crutchlow have three.

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wouldn't Crutchlow "low" use of engines have something to do with the fact that he has crashed out of 2 races out of 6 and, no disrespect to him or his fans, perhaps he does not stress the engine as much?


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MotoGP Engines 2015 – 8 Races Down, 10 To Go
Factory Teams (5 engines)

Repsol Honda – Marquez’ engine #2 is still sitting somewhere, sealed and broken after its failure at CotA. As Jordi Perez said in his recent PhotoGP interview, Honda doesn’t have to tell him or anyone if the engine is still working or not. This engine may very well sit on the sidelines until Valencia with Mr. Perez removes the seals at the end of the season.

With #2 out of service since QP2 in Austin, Marquez has raced #1 three times, #2 just the once at Losail, and #3 four times, including recently at Assen. #1 has been used in 36 sessions, #3 in 35 sessions, though of course we do not see the actual mileage in the IRTA engine report. We only see that a given engine crossed the pit lane entrance at least once during a session.

I thought I’d compare this with Pedrosa’s usage and in doing so noticed that though he still has three engines available, he has never actually raced his #2 engine. Pedrosa raced #1 in each of the first five rounds, with #2 sharing FP, QP and W-UP duties. Pedrosa’s team opened #3 for the W-UP at Mugello, then raced that brand new #3 engine there.

#1 has not been used since FP4 at Mugello. #2 has continued to share FP, QP and W-UP duties, but #3 has raced in the previous three rounds (Mugello, Catalunya, Assen). Though I heard a rumor that Pedrosa had lost use of one engine, there is no way to confirm this. It may be simply that his #1 did its duty of five races in a row and is now waiting on the shelf in case it is needed later in the season.

Both factory Honda riders have two unopened engines.

On a side note, did you know that these engines have openings via which the mechanics can insert scopes to inspect the interior, a sort of engine-oscopy? This allows them to see what’s going on in the engine without breaking the seals, which they’d have to do if they want to take the engine apart. The process does not cause the engine pain and no anesthetic is required.

LCR Honda – Crutchlow got through Round 6 at Mugello with only two engines, racing #2 every time. His team opened #3 at Catalunya and he raced it there and at Assen.

His #1 has never raced, though it has been used at every round and must have plenty of mileage. At Assen he used each of his three opened engines. He appears to have three still available, with six races on #1, two races on #3 and no races on #2. He has two unopened engines.

Marc VDS Honda – Scott Redding is the only non-Open Class Honda rider to have three unopened engines. He has five races on #1 and three races on #2.

Of the Honda factory riders, Redding is in the best shape and Marquez in the most trouble as far as engine use and availability.

Movistar Yamaha – I observed last time (Mugello) that the engine use for Rossi and Lorenzo is nearly identical. This trend continues through Assen, with variations of engines used in practice sessions, but with identical engines raced in each round.

For both riders, #1 was raced in Rounds 1, 4 and 5, #2 was raced in Rounds 2 and 3, #3 (which was opened for FP3 at Mugello for both riders) has raced Rounds 6, 7 and 8.

At Assen, both factory Yamaha riders used each of their three engines in at least one session. So as of Round 8, each has three engines still in service, with no more than three races in any single engine. Each still has two unopened engines.

Tech 3 Yamaha – Bradley Smith’s engine useage has mirrored that of his factory Yamaha counterparts very closely, the only major difference being that it’s his #2 that has three races on it and his #1 has only two races. He also opened #3 for FP3 at Mugello. Can this be a coincidence? More likely it is a plan working out very nicely for these three Yamaha-powered riders.

But unlike Rossi and Lorenzo, Smith has not used his #1 since FP2 at Mugello. Also noteworthy is that Smith’s #2 has seen only sporadic use since Jerez. #2 hasn’t raced since Argentina, after racing the previous two rounds, but it ran only one session at Le Mans, one session at Mugello, shared four sessions at Catalunya, then was used only for the W-Up at Assen. Smith still appears in good shape, with three engines active and, like Rossi and Lorenzo, nor more than three races on any single engine.

For Pol Espargaro, things are a bit different, but not dire. Four rounds into the season his team opened #3 for FP3, two races ahead of Rossi, Lorenzo and Smith. His #1 has raced only once, at Losail, while #2 has raced four times and #3 has raced three times. Still, at Assen he used all three engines at least once, so he also appears to have three in service, though he stands alone in that he has one engine with four races.

Both Tech3 riders have two unopened engines.

Factory Option Teams (12 engines)

Ducati – With 12 engines to use over the 2015 season, all four factory Ducati riders have opened four engines apiece. With eight unopened engines for the remaining eight rounds, Ducati riders are in good shape for 2015, but 2016 will see some tightening of the belt.

Dovizioso has one race on #1, two races on #2, two races on #3 and three races on #4. His team opened #4 for FP3 at Catalunya and #1 has not been used since, so that is possibly a problem with #1. At Assen he used engines 2, 3, and 4 at least twice each.

Iannone withdrew #1 at Jerez after racing it in the first two rounds. At Assen he used each of his three opened engines at least once.

Pramac Ducati – Petrucci’s situation is very close to Iannone’s, having withdrawn his #1 at Le Mans after racing it in the first three rounds. At Assen he also used each of his three opened engines at least once.

Hernandez withdrew his #2 at Jerez after racing it twice, and at Assen he used only two of his available three engines.

Ecstar Suzuki – Suzuki stil looks like the team that will have the most unopened engines at the end of the season. Both Aleix Espargaro and Maverick Vinales used only two each for the first six rounds, and of those, each raced five rounds on a single engine with the other engine racing only once.

At Catalunya the Suzuki story entered a new chapter as the factory brought a new engine design that they hoped would deliver more power on the long straight. Each rider raced the new engine, #3 for both, and at Assen the factory brought engine #4 out. Though both Suzuki riders used their #3 and #4 engines at Assen, both raced #3. Espargaro used his #3 in every single session, having been obliged to participate in QP1, and used his #4 only in FP3 when it entered the system and then briefly in the W-UP.

One of my little birds suggested that a vagary of the Suzuki engine numbering scheme might indicate that #4 is closer in design to #1 and #2 than it is to #3. This is one of those things we wish we could know for sure, if only the factories would tell us.

Like Ducati’s, Suzuki’s riders have eight unopened engines each, though Espargaro and Vinales each have an engine with no race duty to date.

Gresini Aprilia – There appears to be more development going on at Aprilia, certainly more engine usage for both Melandri and Bautista. Some of this is due to the factory’s development of a seamless gearbox, which requires a different crankcase design. That means a new engine since breaking the seal on the crankcase is not allowed.

Melandri has now withdrawn three engines (#1, #2, #4) and has four still in use (#3, #5, #6, #7), though #3 has not been used since FP3 at Mugello. At Assen, Melandri used #5, #6 and #7 at least twice.

Bautista has withdrawn only two (#1 and #3) and has three engines opened. At Assen he used all three of them at least once.

Melandri has five unopened engines and Bautista has seven.

Open Teams (12 engines)

Similar to the Open Factory teams, none of the Open Class riders is in any engine trouble with the 12-engine allowance. Still, a brief run through of the numbers for each.

Athena Forward Yamaha – Bradl has two engines withdrawn, two open, and eight unopened.

Baz has three opened, none withdrawn, nine unopened.

Aspar Honda – Hayden has four open, none withdrawn, eight unopened.

Laverty has three open, none withdrawn, nine unopened.

Cardion AB Honda – Abraham has two open, one withdrawn, nine unopened. Also, he has not used an engine since he was injured in FP4 at Catalunya.

LCR Honda – Miller has three opened and none withdrawn, but his #2 has not been used since it raced at Round 2 in Austin. That’s six races without being used once.

Are you wondering if ANY Honda engine has been listed as Withdrawn? The answer is: No. Two Yamaha engines have been withdrawn, both in Bradl’s allocation.

Avintia Ducati – Barbera has two opened, two withdrawn, eight unopened.

Di Meglio has three opened, one withdrawn, eight unopened, but his #2 has not been used since the W-UP at Jerez.

IodaRacing Aprilia – DeAngelis has three open, two withdrawn, seven unopened.

As the season progresses, I doubt that the engine use story will get more interesting for the 12-engine teams. However, with each passing race weekend the factory teams will find the five engine limit a bigger element of their race strategies. Now that Marquez appears to have his chassis trouble sorted by reverting to the 2014 model, a strong charge in rounds 9-18 for third or second place in the championship just might be hindered by that failed #2 from Austin…

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