Maybe DP26 should have moved on - 600RR.net
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 06-29-2016, 12:20 PM Thread Starter
AMA Supersport Racer
 
DoomCue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,232
Thanks: 42
Thanked 172 Times in 149 Posts
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
Maybe DP26 should have moved on

MotoGP: Honda facing Ducati/Stoner syndrome? | Sport Rider

Dani has been critical of HRC's choices, specifically going with MM93's preferences for the Repsol bike. Seems like he's being more vocal since he re-signed with Repsol. He's got a point, but at the same time, he's not #1 at Honda. It does suck for the other Honda riders as well, since the development freeze affects all of them, not just the Repsol team, but they can't exactly cater to the guys who haven't got a prayer of winning the championship. Maybe Dani should have gone to another team, if he's so unhappy with the direction of the bike development.
DoomCue is offline  
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to DoomCue For This Useful Post:
clilholt (06-29-2016), Moeman (06-29-2016), shinfo (06-29-2016)
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 20 (permalink) Old 06-29-2016, 01:21 PM
AMA Supersport Racer
 
xrated's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 18 miles from the Gap
Posts: 903
Thanks: 34
Thanked 127 Times in 82 Posts
Feedback Score: 4 reviews
I'm not saying that there aren't other teams that would want him, but he's not exactly a hot commodity amongst the top MotoGP teams. Count the number of MotoGP titles that he has won in the last couple of years......how about the last 5 years......how about forever?

Sometimes people stay in their comfort zone (making a very good living) and just don't have the desire/courage to do, or try to do, something different.

Vern....STT Southern Region Instructor

If it ain't fast........It ain't fun!!

2014 Yamaha FZ09 highly modded
2008 GSX-R 750..... Track Bike
2008 ST1300
xrated is offline  
post #3 of 20 (permalink) Old 06-29-2016, 03:52 PM
BOTM Winner Jan 2015
 
shinfo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 1,958
Thanks: 376
Thanked 312 Times in 270 Posts
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
I was all for him moving to Yamaha when that was being tossed around. I think he would have excelled on that bike. Honda's bike seems to be getting harder and harder to control with every passing season, and the fact that Dani can do it so well with his size and weight is amazing, as you'll hear every rider on the track say so. He seems pissed, and I wish he would have left Honda for either KTM or Yamaha to at least try his hand on another bike before his run is over. Marc is a maniac, and tailoring a bike to be ridden as such is bad news for other riders.


Sent from Motorcycle.com Free App

https://40.media.tumblr.com/68b9f92683e3e0506dd727af79363281/tumblr_ntyw0v9hrk1ufoouto1_500.jpg
shinfo is offline  
 
post #4 of 20 (permalink) Old 06-29-2016, 04:09 PM
Pocketbike Racer
 
clilholt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Gainesville Florida
Posts: 315
Thanks: 43
Thanked 34 Times in 33 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by shinfo View Post
Marc is a maniac, and tailoring a bike to be ridden as such is bad news for other riders.


Sent from Motorcycle.com Free App
So true. He is the minority in riding style from the other Honda riders, its unfortunate for them he has all the weight on the decision making.
clilholt is offline  
post #5 of 20 (permalink) Old 06-29-2016, 05:39 PM
Moto GP Racer
 
TheX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Austin Texas
Posts: 14,338
Images: 2
Thanks: 129
Thanked 2,462 Times in 1,717 Posts
Feedback Score: 5 reviews
Not a single person here has any idea AT ALL what he would be like with a different team. He's a damn good rider. He's also small and light. Total jockey.
TheX is offline  
post #6 of 20 (permalink) Old 06-29-2016, 07:06 PM
BOTM Winner Jan 2015
 
shinfo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 1,958
Thanks: 376
Thanked 312 Times in 270 Posts
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheX View Post
Not a single person here has any idea AT ALL what he would be like with a different team. He's a damn good rider. He's also small and light. Total jockey.

You can have an idea by how other riders talk about him, the way he a handles a bike, and how dangerous he would be on a Yamaha.


Sent from Motorcycle.com Free App

https://40.media.tumblr.com/68b9f92683e3e0506dd727af79363281/tumblr_ntyw0v9hrk1ufoouto1_500.jpg
shinfo is offline  
post #7 of 20 (permalink) Old 06-29-2016, 08:06 PM
AMA Supersport Racer
 
xrated's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 18 miles from the Gap
Posts: 903
Thanks: 34
Thanked 127 Times in 82 Posts
Feedback Score: 4 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheX View Post
Not a single person here has any idea AT ALL what he would be like with a different team. He's a damn good rider. He's also small and light. Total jockey.
We might ALL have ideas about how he might perform on another bike, but no one knows for sure.....that is a no brainer, so I'm not sure where you are going with that statement.

As far as my post, I certainly didn't say anything about how he might perform on another bike for another team. And you are right about one thing, he is a good rider. Unfortunately, he's become a "good" rider.....not a "great" rider....at the MotoGP level. He has/shows flashes of greatness, but nothing consistent.

Vern....STT Southern Region Instructor

If it ain't fast........It ain't fun!!

2014 Yamaha FZ09 highly modded
2008 GSX-R 750..... Track Bike
2008 ST1300

Last edited by xrated; 06-29-2016 at 08:18 PM.
xrated is offline  
post #8 of 20 (permalink) Old 06-29-2016, 09:38 PM
BOTM Winner 8/12 / Super Moderator
 
CBR Time's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 12,223
Images: 45
Thanks: 2,141
Thanked 1,043 Times in 921 Posts
Feedback Score: 12 reviews
Good points Doom, he will no doubt end his career with Repsol Honda, i like Dani always have, certainly a great rider, prob the best "teammate" for Marc, not a rear threat to win, but will get on the podium nonetheless. Really too bad he has never won a championship in Moto GP.
CBR Time is offline  
post #9 of 20 (permalink) Old 06-30-2016, 12:54 PM Thread Starter
AMA Supersport Racer
 
DoomCue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,232
Thanks: 42
Thanked 172 Times in 149 Posts
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
I thought DP26 was still capable of winning a MotoGP title, but only if he left Honda. By committing for another two years, he pretty much killed those chances. I just don't get why he still re-signed even though he could have gone to another team, he doesn't like the bike, and he knows it won't be catered to him.
DoomCue is offline  
post #10 of 20 (permalink) Old 06-30-2016, 12:57 PM
BOTM Winner Jan 2015
 
shinfo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 1,958
Thanks: 376
Thanked 312 Times in 270 Posts
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by DoomCue View Post
I thought DP26 was still capable of winning a MotoGP title, but only if he left Honda. By committing for another two years, he pretty much killed those chances. I just don't get why he still re-signed even though he could have gone to another team, he doesn't like the bike, and he knows it won't be catered to him.

It's a better career choice to have Hondas support after he stops racing.


Sent from Motorcycle.com Free App

https://40.media.tumblr.com/68b9f92683e3e0506dd727af79363281/tumblr_ntyw0v9hrk1ufoouto1_500.jpg
shinfo is offline  
post #11 of 20 (permalink) Old 06-30-2016, 03:54 PM
World Superbike Racer
 
mran556's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Posts: 1,830
Thanks: 108
Thanked 169 Times in 159 Posts
Garage
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Dp is washed up. Well not rly but hes never gunna win a championship.

Hes good not great but everone on that grid is good

2007 Cbr600rr Black

[SIZE=1]Tripage IT and Plate Bracket, TST Turn Signals, GB Case Covers, Captive Rear Spacers, Driven 520 -1 +2 steel sprocket kit, Spiegler Steel Brake Lines, Front Fork Revalve, Stomp Grips, Speedodrd, Dunlop Q3's, HRC Rear Brake Res, Woocraft Frame sliders, Shorty levers, 90 Degree Valve Stems, EK 520 Black/Gold Chain, Tekarbon Chain Guard, Engine Swap, Brembo RCS, Evotech Front Brake Res, SBS Sintered Race pads, Healtech Quick Shifter, Vortex Rearsets, and Trackdays!
mran556 is offline  
post #12 of 20 (permalink) Old 06-30-2016, 04:12 PM
Pocketbike Racer
 
clilholt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Gainesville Florida
Posts: 315
Thanks: 43
Thanked 34 Times in 33 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by mran556 View Post
Dp is washed up. Well not rly but hes never gunna win a championship.

Hes good not great but everone on that grid is good
I've read all season that he is having huge struggles riding this bike and I think if he could get on a bike with an engine (Honda or not) that he is more compatible with he could win a championship. If lorenzo doesn't do as well on the Ducati and Dp can get a little more consistent I think he has a shot in the upcoming seasons.
clilholt is offline  
post #13 of 20 (permalink) Old 06-30-2016, 04:35 PM
cyclesector.com

 
Disco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: San Diego
Posts: 13,432
Images: 31
Thanks: 5
Thanked 224 Times in 168 Posts
Feedback Score: 85 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by clilholt View Post
I've read all season that he is having huge struggles riding this bike and I think if he could get on a bike with an engine (Honda or not) that he is more compatible with he could win a championship. If lorenzo doesn't do as well on the Ducati and Dp can get a little more consistent I think he has a shot in the upcoming seasons.
DP could win a championship, if certain circumstances went his way. If Lorenzo's debut season with Ducati is lackluster (likely) and if Valentino and Marquez have mechanical problems or get hurt, or get taken out by other riders, then he will have a good shot. Hey things like this have worked out before for a less than stellar rider *cough* Hayden*cough*cough*.


Last edited by Disco; 06-30-2016 at 04:38 PM.
Disco is offline  
post #14 of 20 (permalink) Old 06-30-2016, 07:39 PM
BOTY 2014 Winner
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 4,578
Thanks: 14
Thanked 1,044 Times in 850 Posts
Garage
Feedback Score: 3 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by xrated View Post
I'm not saying that there aren't other teams that would want him, but he's not exactly a hot commodity amongst the top MotoGP teams. Count the number of MotoGP titles that he has won in the last couple of years......how about the last 5 years......how about forever?

Sometimes people stay in their comfort zone (making a very good living) and just don't have the desire/courage to do, or try to do, something different.

in the last 15 years there have been only 5 riders to win championships, and two of them aren't riding anymore, and one of them isn't really worth mentioning at all.

so you have rossi, lorenzo, or marquez

are you suggesting that anyone else on the grid isn't worth looking at because they haven't won championships?

pedro is still relevant and would be a welcome addition to many teams, he's still very much capable of running near the front
wibbly is offline  
post #15 of 20 (permalink) Old 06-30-2016, 09:05 PM
AMA Supersport Racer
 
xrated's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 18 miles from the Gap
Posts: 903
Thanks: 34
Thanked 127 Times in 82 Posts
Feedback Score: 4 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by wibbly View Post
in the last 15 years there have been only 5 riders to win championships, and two of them aren't riding anymore, and one of them isn't really worth mentioning at all.

so you have rossi, lorenzo, or marquez

are you suggesting that anyone else on the grid isn't worth looking at because they haven't won championships?

pedro is still relevant and would be a welcome addition to many teams, he's still very much capable of running near the front
What I'm suggesting is.......DP is a good rider with flashes of great. 99% of the time, flashes of great with a majority of good, doesn't win championships.

I also think that given the right set of circumstances, there are a lot of the riders that are capable of winning "a" race, as evidenced by this past race at Assen.....but again, winning a race or two will not convert to winning a championship.

Would Dani be more of a contender on a different bike, probably! But just like in all sports, the championships are decided by what actually happens and not by a bunch of "what ifs"!

Vern....STT Southern Region Instructor

If it ain't fast........It ain't fun!!

2014 Yamaha FZ09 highly modded
2008 GSX-R 750..... Track Bike
2008 ST1300
xrated is offline  
post #16 of 20 (permalink) Old 06-30-2016, 09:49 PM Thread Starter
AMA Supersport Racer
 
DoomCue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,232
Thanks: 42
Thanked 172 Times in 149 Posts
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by wibbly View Post
one of them isn't really worth mentioning at all.
Speaking of which, I can't help but be reminded of how HRC handled Nicky and Pedrosa after NH69 won his championship. This is eerily similar, just the shoe's on the other foot (And of course, DP26 hasn't won a championship).
DoomCue is offline  
post #17 of 20 (permalink) Old 07-01-2016, 01:02 PM
BOTY 2014 Winner
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 4,578
Thanks: 14
Thanked 1,044 Times in 850 Posts
Garage
Feedback Score: 3 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by xrated View Post
flashes of great with a majority of good, doesn't win championships.

I also think that given the right set of circumstances, there are a lot of the riders that are capable of winning "a" race, as evidenced by this past race at Assen.....but again, winning a race or two will not convert to winning a championship.

Would Dani be more of a contender on a different bike, probably! But just like in all sports, the championships are decided by what actually happens and not by a bunch of "what ifs"!
hayden was "good" in his championship year. he won because rossi lost.


pedrosa has been very close to winning championships only to have his season ruined by injury. this has happened more than once to the poor guy.


and the race at assen is a terrible example of other riders, the results were as such mostly due to DNFs and shitty circumstances
wibbly is offline  
post #18 of 20 (permalink) Old 07-01-2016, 02:36 PM
AMA Supersport Racer
 
xrated's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 18 miles from the Gap
Posts: 903
Thanks: 34
Thanked 127 Times in 82 Posts
Feedback Score: 4 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by wibbly View Post

pedrosa has been very close to winning championships only to have his season ruined by injury. this has happened more than once to the poor guy.
And that's my point exactly! It doesn't matter if you are talking about baseball and the world series, football and the superbowl, hockey and the stanley cup.......whatever sport. The biggest difference in that comparison is that in motorcycle racing, the rider is in the spotlight moreso than in team sports where one or two of the key players has a bad day/game/series. Of course we all know that the MotoGP team is made up of many components....mechanics, suspension techs, data/telemetry techs, etc, so they are important too, but the rider is the one in the spotlight

Dani has had his share of bad luck and injury, but again, that is true in any sport. And whether or not it is "fair", sometimes the other guy/team wins because of the better guy/team's bad luck or injury.

Vern....STT Southern Region Instructor

If it ain't fast........It ain't fun!!

2014 Yamaha FZ09 highly modded
2008 GSX-R 750..... Track Bike
2008 ST1300
xrated is offline  
post #19 of 20 (permalink) Old 07-01-2016, 07:05 PM
BOTY 2014 Winner
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 4,578
Thanks: 14
Thanked 1,044 Times in 850 Posts
Garage
Feedback Score: 3 reviews
then you're speaking in circles, because your first comment alluded to dani's lack of value because he hasn't won championships.
wibbly is offline  
post #20 of 20 (permalink) Old 07-01-2016, 07:54 PM
AMA Supersport Racer
 
xrated's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 18 miles from the Gap
Posts: 903
Thanks: 34
Thanked 127 Times in 82 Posts
Feedback Score: 4 reviews
How am I speaking in circles? He's 30 years old (not exactly in his prime as a MotoGP rider), he's never won a championship because he's never put together a long enough string of wins/points to do so, and his great riding is streaky at best. He's certainly capable of winning a race here and there, but mostly all the stars have to be in alignment for that to happen.....mostly the consistent winners have a tire issue, make a critical mistake, or crash out. And before anyone says look at Valentino, he's 37..........The G.O.A.T is by far the exception rather than the rule when it comes to still being a top rider at that age.

Vern....STT Southern Region Instructor

If it ain't fast........It ain't fun!!

2014 Yamaha FZ09 highly modded
2008 GSX-R 750..... Track Bike
2008 ST1300
xrated is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the 600RR.net forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome