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Moto GP 2017 Testing

Surprised they had this up now lol, in any event ill post all 2017 Testing info here. will lock thread for now
MotoGP
1. Malaysia, Sepang: January 30-February 1
2. Australia, Phillip Island: February 15-17
3. Qatar, Losail: March 10-12

Moto2/Moto3
1. Spain, Jerez: March 9-10
2. Qatar, Losail: March 17-19

The venues will thus remain the same as this season, when the second Sepang MotoGP test was replaced by a new outing at Phillip Island.

Prior to 2017, the official post-season Valencia test will be held on November 15-16.

Valencia will see Jorge Lorenzo make his Ducati debut, Maverick Vinales at Yamaha, Andrea Iannone at Suzuki, Aleix Espargaro at Aprilia, Bradley Smith and Pol Espargaro at KTM - plus the first official MotoGP laps for rookies Alex Rins, Johann Zarco, Sam Lowes and Jonas Folger.

The 2017 racing season is scheduled to begin at Losail on the evening of March 26.
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David on who is testing what post Valencia :)
https://motomatters.com/analysis/201...g_what_at.html

the main players:
On Tuesday, November 15th, the 2017 season starts in earnest. The biannual session of bike swapping commences two days after the final MotoGP round at Valencia, as riders, crew chiefs, mechanics, press officers and many others swap garages to join their 2017 teams. It is often something of a disappointment, with only a few riders moving from team to team, but the coming season sees some big names switching bikes, as well as an important new arrival in the shape of KTM. So to help you keep track, here is who will be testing what at Valencia on Tuesday.

Ducati

All eyes will of course be on the factory Ducati garage, where Jorge Lorenzo is due to get his first outing on the Desmosedici. The Bologna factory has been working flat out on getting their 2017 bike ready, Michele Pirro giving the GP17 its first test after Aragon. The test was so important that Pirro was unable to fly to Motegi to replace the still recovering Andrea Iannone.

How will Lorenzo fare? We will have some idea on Tuesday. That is, if it doesn't rain, which the (notoriously inaccurate) long-range forecasts show it might(link is external). More important, perhaps, than his first test on the bike may be the relationship he establishes with new crew chief Cristian Gabarrini. The Italian worked previously with Casey Stoner, and so is used to working with complex characters. Tuesday and Wednesday is the day Lorenzo and Gabarrini get their first chance to get a feel for one another.

Andrea Dovizioso might be a better gauge of how big a difference the GP17 itself makes. This will be the fifth iteration of the Desmosedici the Italian has ridden (a case could be made that it is actually the seventh different bike, the GP14 having undergone serious change throughout the 2014 season), so he has a good understanding of the Ducati, and its design philosophy. The GP17 will need to brake a little better and be a little smoother in the middle of the corner than the GP16.

The Ducati riders will have to be extra cautious on their first contact with the bike, however. They will only have one GP17 each at their disposal, along with a GP16 as a second bike.

Yamaha

If Jorge Lorenzo to Ducati is the biggest story of the 2017 season, Maverick Viñales to Yamaha runs it a close second. Viñales has made massive progress in 2016, his biggest step coming in winning a dry race at Silverstone. The Spaniard is expected to immediately be quick on the Yamaha M1, though he may find it a lot more difficult to turn than the agile and sweet-handling Suzuki GSX-RR. It will at least drive out of corners, however, which was his biggest complaint in 2016. Viñales takes over all of Lorenzo's crew, except for one mechanic who will be leaving with the five-time champion for Ducati.

Valentino Rossi remains in the Yamaha garage, of course, and one question will be how the relationship between the Italian veteran and Viñales develops. They are currently on extremely friendly terms, though that may not last once they are direct competitors in the same team. It is not yet certain whether Yamaha will run their 2017 bike at Valencia, though Valentino Rossi told reporters during the flyaways that he hoped that would be the case. If the bike isn't quite ready for Valencia, then the team will get their first taste of the bike at a private test at Sepang later in the month. There, Rossi and Viñales will also be joined by the Monster Tech 3 Yamaha rookies Johann Zarco and Jonas Folger.

Suzuki

Suzuki is one of three factories which sees a complete change in its line up for 2017. Andrea Iannone joins the Japanese factory from Ducati, while Alex Rins moves up from Moto2 to replace the departing Maverick Viñales. Iannone is expected to be immediately quick, and the Suzuki GSX-RR is a good deal less physical to ride than the Ducati Desmosedici. The Italian should also be highly motivated, as he has been left embittered by Ducati's decision to drop him and keep Andrea Dovizioso, to make room for Jorge Lorenzo. Iannone brings his crew chief Marco Rigamonti with him from Ducati.

Alex Rins also makes his highly anticipated debut on a MotoGP bike. The Spaniard is highly regarded and highly rated, but he has had something of a disappointing Moto2 campaign. He has shown he is capable of winning races in Moto2, and did so very quickly, a key sign he is capable of adapting. But after a draining 2016 Moto2 season, he may not be immediately up to speed on a MotoGP machine.

Honda

There may be the fewest personnel changes in the Honda line up – zero, to be precise – but there is still plenty of interest in what HRC will be bringing to Valencia. Honda have a new engine, rumored to have a very different character to the current version of the RC213V. It is said to use a different firing order (or more properly, firing interval) for the cylinders, to make the bike a little easier to manage.

Will the new RC213V use a big bang firing sequence? We will only find out for sure at the test – or perhaps on Monday evening, when Repsol Honda mechanics fire up the bike in pit lane in preparation for Tuesday's test. There will be a host of journalists and rival engineers in pit lane when they do, with sound recording equipment at the ready, to analyze the sound of the new bike.

Though the Honda riders have been careful not to comment about the 2017 bike, paddock gossip suggests it is a significant improvement. The changes are said to be mainly in the engine, with only a few minor modifications to the chassis. What Honda are seeking is a big improvement in acceleration. Given that Honda have won nine of the seventeen races held so far this year with a bike that is still hard to control under acceleration, an improvement could lead to massive gains.

In past years, only the Repsol Honda team have had the latest version of the bike at the Valencia test. Given that Cal Crutchlow has played such an important part in HRC's testing program, though, the LCR Honda rider may also get a new engine to test.
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Reminder for the 2 day Testing , starts tomorrow , circuit time is 10am-5pm, to see your time, go to motogp main site click on schedule (shows circuit time and "your time) 4am for me :(
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Valencia Test Notes: Honda, Suzuki, And Ducati on 2017, Lorenzo, And Engine Firing Orders
Submitted by David Emmett on Mon, 2016-11-14 18:20
The Monday after the final race at Valencia has not been the first day of the official test for a few years now. This is a good thing: the riders are exhausted after a full season of racing, and need a lie in and a day to recover. The team members are the same, mechanics moving from garage to garage, and crew chiefs shuffling around to meet their new teams.

The riders might get the day off, but the rest of the staff do not. Mechanics are being shown the ropes in the new garage, and learn how the bikes fit together by helping to strip and reassemble them for the start of Tuesday's test. Factory bosses are also busy, going through test schedules with existing and new riders to sort out who will be testing what, and what to expect.

They also make time on Monday to talk to the press. Or at least some of them do. The top brass of Suzuki, Ducati, and Honda all held press conferences to talk to the media, and to go over their plans. The three different press conferences also gave an insight into the different approaches of the teams. HRC were there to present the management team that will take over from Shuhei Nakamoto, who retires as HRC Vice President in April. Suzuki team boss Davide Brivio held a solo press conference in English, to discuss the plans for the team. And Ducati Corse boss Gigi Dall'Igna spoke to the media in Italian and English about the 2017 bike and the arrival of Jorge Lorenzo.

Honda

The Honda press conference was the least informative of the bunch, as is the policy of HRC. Honda never give out details of their technical development. When asked about the new engine Honda will debut on Tuesday, both Nakamoto and Shinichi Kokubu, who is taking over the technical part of Honda's MotoGP project, refused point blank to answer questions directly. Kokubu was the most forthcoming, saying that improving the character of the Honda RC213V had come from examining many aspects of the bike. That included firing intervals, but also chassis and electronics.

But they can only hide the new engine firing interval until Tuesday morning. The RC213V that will roll out of pit lane on Tuesday will sound very different to the bike that finished on the podium on Sunday. The recording I have heard of the bike sounds very similar to the Ducati, no longer the screamer that Honda have used since the return of the 1000s in 2012. Whether that change will make the engine easier to handle than the screamer has been remains to be seen. It should help reduce the amount of wheelie.

Suzuki

Suzuki will not have a new bike to debut at Valencia. Davide Brivio told a press conference that the bike had already made huge steps in the winter of 2015/2016, as witnessed by the fact that the GSX-RR won a race and was fighting for podiums at so many races. The bike already handled exceptionally well, and the engine performance together with the new seamless gearbox had made it competitive.

The next steps for Suzuki will be to provide more of an evolution. The bike could still use a little more horsepower, Brivio said. On Tuesday, Suzuki will roll out what Brivio called a "middle step" engine, which will include some of the improvements the engineers have been working on for 2017, the remainder coming at the tests next year. At Sepang, there will be more chassis updates to come.

Brivio said that the expectations of Suzuki were much higher for next season than they were for 2016. Both Suzuki and new rider Andrea Iannone won races in 2016, so the combination needs to be a success from the start. Brivio was interested to hear Iannone's input, but warned that the Italian will also need to adapt to the Suzuki.

Ducati

Adapting to a new bike is exactly what Ducati Corse boss Gigi Dall'Igna said that Jorge Lorenzo will have to do. Ducati will be rolling out the GP17 on Tuesday, but the main focus of the changes are in the chassis. To reduce the number of variables in the data, both Andrea Dovizioso and Jorge Lorenzo will be using a bike with winglets. That way, they can do back to back tests on GP16s and GP17s, and more easily understand the difference the new chassis makes. Removing the winglets would add confusion to the data, Dall'Igna said, making it more difficult to analyze.

The biggest issue with the Ducati was turning mid corner, Dall'Igna said. Given that this area is precisely where Lorenzo is strongest, it is an area where they will need to improve. But adapting will have to be a two way affair, with Jorge Lorenzo having to adapt to the bike as well. "For sure he has to learn the bike first of all, and try to adapt his riding style to the strong point that the bike has," Dall'Igna said. "But the reverse, for sure we have to try to give him the best possible bike. That means that first of all, we have to understand what he needs to go fast, and second to try to give him this."

Dall'Igna was not worried that Lorenzo would not be able to do that. He had worked with him previously, albeit in 125s and 250s, and had a good idea of what to expect. He knows Lorenzo's strengths, and is sure he can adapt. Nor was he worried about Lorenzo's recent struggles in the rains. "Jorge in the past also won races in rain conditions," Dall'Igna said, while acknowledging that the Spaniard had struggled in the past year. The strength of the Ducati in the rain should help give Lorenzo confidence. "I think that he can win races also in the future in rain conditions. Our bike is quite strong in the rain, because all of our riders have good results in those conditions, so I'm not afraid about that. "

The Ducati which appears on track on Tuesday will feature winglets, but that is only an intermediate step. Over the winter, Ducati will be working on a new aerodynamic package ready for the Sepang tests. Racing without winglets will not be such a big problem, Dall'Igna said. "With the proper set up, you can compensate the winglet behaviors," he told us. A bike might be faster with winglets, but the difference was very small indeed.
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i was wondering about the winglets, would they test with or without, reading above it'll be with, makes sense when they explain.
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"Pirro replaces Petrucci for Valencia test
Regular Octo Pramac Yakhnich returns to Italy early
Tags MotoGP, 2016, SEPANG MOTOGP™ OFFICIAL TEST, Michele Pirro, Danilo Petrucci, OCTO Pramac Yakhnich
Octo Pramac Yakhnich have announced that regular rider Danilo Petrucci has returned to Italy for family reasons, and will therefore not be riding in the first of the pre-season tests for 2017.

Petrucci will be replaced in testing by Ducati test rider Michele Pirro, who also replaced his compatriot earlier in the season when 'Petrux' was suffering with injury."
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Is it safe to assume all the rookies are running with dumbed down electronics?
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Is it safe to assume all the rookies are running with dumbed down electronics?
perhaps.. Maverick looking very good on the M1
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Following Sunday's Valentino MotoGP season finale, riders returned to the circuit on Tuesday for the start of an official winter test.
The two-day outing marks the first chance for riders to appear with their 2017 teams.
Tuesday's debuts included triple MotoGP champion Jorge Lorenzo at Ducati, Andrea Iannone at Suzuki, Bradley Smith and Pol Espargaro at KTM, Aleix Espargaro at Aprilia, plus Alvaro Bautista and Karel Abraham at Aspar.

The four rookies stepping up to MotoGP from Moto2 were also on track: Johann Zarco and Jonas Folger at Tech 3 Yamaha, Alex Rins at Suzuki and Sam Lowes at Aprilia. Only Lowes has previously tested for his team.

Former Aspar racer Eugene Laverty made his debut on an Aprilia RS-GP, which he will help develop alongside his 2017 World Superbike commitments. Francesco Bagnaia got to ride an Aspar Ducati as a reward for taking two victories for the team's Moto3 project.

Danilo Petrucci has returned to Italy for family reasons and is being replaced at Pramac by Ducati test rider Michele Pirro.

Vinales took over from new team-mate Rossi at the top of the timesheets in the middle of the afternoon. Vinales used the 2016 Yamaha today, while Rossi also tried the 2017 bike.

Rossi, Pol Espargaro, Cal Crutchlow, Iannone, Tsuda, Lowes and Laverty all walked away from falls.

Reigning champion Marc Marquez was on track with both the 2016 and 2017 versions of the Honda RC213V. The Spaniard led the early stages, before the Yamahas hit the front. As rumoured, the new Honda sounds like it has a 'big bang'-style engine.

Lorenzo made a late push up the timesheets for a close third on the Ducati, having spent all day on the 2016 machine. Team-mate Andrea Dovizioso did however spend time on the GP17.

Testing, which took place from 10am to 5pm, continues on Wednesday...

1. Viñales, Maverick SPA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 30.930s
2. Rossi, Valentino ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 30.950s +0.020s
3. Lorenzo, Jorge SPA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 31.052s +0.122s
4. Marquez, Marc SPA Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 31.102s +0.172s
5. Dovizioso, Andrea ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP16/17) 1m 31.131s +0.201s
6. Crutchlow, Cal GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 31.156s +0.226s
7. Iannone, Andrea ITA Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 31.165s +0.235s
8. Redding, Scott GBR Octo Pramac Yakhnich (Desmosedici GP15/16) 1m 31.242s +0.312s
9. Barbera, Hector SPA Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP14.2/16) 1m 31.286s +0.356s
10. Pedrosa, Dani SPA Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 31.306s +0.376s
11. Miller, Jack AUS Estrella Galica 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 1m 31.477s +0.547s
12. Bautista, Alvaro SPA Aspar Ducati (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 31.674s +0.744s
13. Pirro, Michele ITA Octo Pramac Yakhnich (Desmosedici GP16/17) 1m 32.068s +1.138s
14. Espargaro, Aleix SPA Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 32.177s +1.247s
15. Baz, Loris FRA Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 32.315s +1.385s
16. Folger, Jonas GER Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1) 1m 32.450s +1.520s
17. Zarco, Johann FRA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1) 1m 32.462s +1.532s
18. Rabat, Tito GBR Estrella Galica 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 1m 32.578s +1.648s
19. Espargaro, Pol SPA KTM MotoGP Factory Racing (RC16) 1m 32.613s +1.683s
20. Smith, Bradley GBR KTM MotoGP Factory Racing (RC16) 1m 32.806s +1.876s
21. Rins, Alex SPA Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 32.811s +1.881s
22. Laverty, Eugene IRL Aprilia Test Rider (RS-GP) 1m 32.935s +2.005s
23. Abraham, Karel CZE Aspar Ducati (Desmosedici GP14.2/15) 1m 33.231s +2.301s
24. Lowes, Sam GBR Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 33.359s +2.429s
25. Tsuda, Takuya JPN Suzuki Test Rider (GSX-RR) 1m 34.110s +3.180s
26. Bagnaia, Francesco ITA Aspar Ducati (Desmosedici GP14.2) 1m 36.940s +6.010s

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Mavericks Test M1 looks awesome!! Top Gun theme, also the Duc with Lorenzo , his leathers look awesome too! Both Jorge and Maverick looks great on their bikes, Jorge already looks fast on the Duc!

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Didn't think Lorenzo would get up to speed so quickly on the Ducati, which is scary for his competitors. Wonder if Honda is disappointed that their new Big Bang engine didn't fare better in the test. Be interesting to hear rider comments. Who got the GP17 ride for Pramac, Redding or Petrucci?
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no kidding!!! it was Redding was it not :P today he was on the GP15-16

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note from David E on the Repsol 17' "The other novelty was the 2017 Honda RC213V. Marc Márquez started the day on the old bike, before swapping to the new engine with a revised firing order. The bike clearly sounds a lot different, both at idle in pit lane, and outside on the track. The firing order is now much more similar to the Ducati, the bikes sound almost identical."
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Valencia MotoGP Test - Initial Trackside Notes On Lorenzo, Iannone, Viñales
There is a genuine sense of excitement at Valencia. Eight factory riders have either swapped teams or, in the case of KTM, joined a brand new entry. There are four rookies in MotoGP. And even the satellite teams have seen a shake up.

Intrigued to see the riders on their new steeds, I spent the first couple of hours of Tuesday at trackside, trying to gauge the body language of the riders and watch how comfortable they look. The first hours is when the process of adaptation takes place, so there is still a lot to learn for everyone swapping bikes. But it can provide an interesting insight into how the riders are getting on.

Jorge Lorenzo was the second rider out on track, behind Suzuki test rider Takuya Tsuda. On a cold track – ambient temperature of 7°C and overcast – Lorenzo looked cautious on the Ducati, clearly not pushing. Those laps were obviously being used for him to get a feeling for the bike, and to adjust his position on the Desmosedici.

As the sun came out and warmed the track, more riders headed out. In the space of ninety minutes, I got a good look at most of the rookies and the riders changing bikes. Lorenzo's initial discomfort was obviously due to track temperature. On his second run out of the pits, the Spaniard looked much more at ease. By the third run, Lorenzo looked just as he did on the Yamaha, fast, smooth, and dragging elbows through the tight turn 11.

According to Israeli TV reporter Tammy Gorali who spoke to Ducati staff, Lorenzo's feedback was very positive. He was very happy with the way the bike brakes, and with the power of the machine. He felt very comfortable on the bike, and felt able to push. By lunchtime, Lorenzo was half a second off the pace of fastest man Valentino Rossi.

Andrea Iannone looked supremely fast on the Suzuki, the Italian pushing very hard from the outset. The bike was moving around a lot more than when Maverick Viñales was riding it, but the bike was still working well. Iannone was immediately up to speed, adapting to the Suzuki apparently very easy.

That was not the case for Alex Rins. The rookie coming up from Moto2 was looking very uncomfortable, and struggling to make the bike work as he wanted. He was running wider Moto2 lines, carrying corner speed rather than picking the bike up, and braking tentatively into corners.

Reigning Moto2 champion Johann Zarco had no such problems. The Frenchman looked confident on the Monster Tech 3 Yamaha M1, picking the bike up out of Turn 5 and Turn 11 to carry speed onto the straights. Both he and his new teammate Jonas Folger looked very comfortable on the bikes, and are lapping within a tenth of a second of each other.

All eyes were on Maverick Viñales, of course. I ran across Wilco Zeelenberg out on track, watching the progress of his new protégé. The Spaniard was adapting very well to the Yamaha M1, though he was still modifying his lines. Viñales is within a couple of tenths of his teammate, and obviously quick.

The other novelty was the 2017 Honda RC213V. Marc Márquez started the day on the old bike, before swapping to the new engine with a revised firing order. The bike clearly sounds a lot different, both at idle in pit lane, and outside on the track. The firing order is now much more similar to the Ducati, the bikes sound almost identical.

The reason for the change is to try to make the power delivery more manageable. That will not be visible from the side of the track, we will have to wait for the feedback from the riders. They speak to the press at the end of the day, when we will get their first reaction.
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no kidding!!! it was Redding was it not :P today he was on the GP15-16
Petrucci won the battle for the GP17, but he didn't attend testing due to "family issues."
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Crashes today - Rossi, Iannone and P.Espargaro, all are ok thankfully
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thx David, for some reason i thought Scott had it, and thx for the Iannone pic, so awesome!! anyone else looking forward to Qatar already lol
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i thought winglets were a no-go for 2017...
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i thought winglets were a no-go for 2017...
They are. Some of the teams are using them through the test on the old bike and the new bike to get consistent data. For teams with rookies, they're choosing to have them ride without winglets since they're never experienced them.
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i thought winglets were a no-go for 2017...
Yeah. Ducati said they're working on new aerodynamic fairings but they aren't ready yet. So till then they'd run winglets

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OH NO,, must tuned in for day 2 before heading to work, session has been RED FLAGGED, RIns and Iannone crash, Rins to hospital... Turn 12 damage to fence from what im hearing.. :( hope Rins is ok, i believe Iannone is though.... Riders not happy re safety conditions....
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I'm kinda halfway paying attention while I work, but I believe they said Iannone is fine, but Rins has compressed vertebrae. Session was red-flagged for an hour, so they're extending the afternoon session half an hour.

Sam Lowes is done for the day as well, he has been in the booth doing commentary with Matt and Nick.
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Maverick setting fastest times both days! too bad about Sam and Alex.. Wow really impressed with Maverick and esp Jorge for adapting so quickly


Maverick Vinales finished on top of the timesheets during both days of his Yamaha debut during official testing at Valencia.

Reigning champion Marc Marquez made a fast start to Wednesday morning, beating the Tuesday best of Vinales. Marquez appeared to be using the new 'big-bang' style Honda engine in this year's RC213V, as well as having a standard 2016 bike plus a full 2017 (black) machine available.
Andrea Dovizioso later took over at the top, riding the new Ducati, before Vinales became the only rider to break the 1m 30s barrier.

This week's two-day outing marked the first appearance for triple MotoGP champion Jorge Lorenzo at Ducati, Vinales at Yamaha, Andrea Iannone at Suzuki, Bradley Smith and Pol Espargaro at KTM, Aleix Espargaro at Aprilia, plus Alvaro Bautista and Karel Abraham at Aspar.

The four rookies were also on track: Johann Zarco and Jonas Folger at Tech 3 Yamaha, Alex Rins at Suzuki and Sam Lowes at Aprilia. Lowes did not ride today following his Wednesday fall, while Danilo Petrucci returned to Italy for family reasons and was replaced by Michele Pirro.

The Wednesday session was red-flagged from 11am to 12pm due to heavy accidents for new Suzuki riders Alex Rins and Andrea Iannone at Turn 12. Rookie Rins was conscious but taken to the medical centre, then hospital, for precautionary checks which revealed damage to two vertebrae.

Track action, which began at 10am, was extended by half-an-hour until 5:30pm as a result of the earlier delay.

Private tests will be held at Sepang (Yamaha) and Jerez (rest of the manufacturers) next week, before the winter testing ban begins on December 1...

1. Viñales, Maverick SPA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 29.975s
2. Marquez, Marc SPA Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 30.171s +0.196s
3. Dovizioso, Andrea ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP16/17) 1m 30.443s +0.468s
4. Iannone, Andrea ITA Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 30.599s +0.624s
5. Pedrosa, Dani SPA Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 30.686s +0.711s
6. Crutchlow, Cal GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 30.709s +0.734s
7. Rossi, Valentino ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 30.709s +0.734s
8. Lorenzo, Jorge SPA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP16/17) 1m 30.744s +0.769s
9. Espargaro, Aleix SPA Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 30.885s +0.910s
10. Folger, Jonas GER Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1) 1m 30.948s +0.973s
11. Zarco, Johann FRA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1) 1m 31.015s +1.040s
12. Miller, Jack AUS Estrella Galica 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 1m 31.069s +1.094s
13. Redding, Scott GBR Octo Pramac Yakhnich (Desmosedici GP15/16) 1m 31.118s +1.143s
14. Bautista, Alvaro SPA Aspar Ducati (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 31.186s +1.211s
15. Barbera, Hector SPA Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP14.2/16) 1m 31.244s +1.269s
16. Pirro, Michele ITA Octo Pramac Yakhnich (Desmosedici GP16/17) 1m 31.816s +1.841s
17. Espargaro, Pol SPA KTM MotoGP Factory Racing (RC16) 1m 31.853s +1.878s
18. Rabat, Tito GBR Estrella Galica 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 1m 31.918s +1.943s
19. Baz, Loris FRA Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 32.161s +2.186s
20. Smith, Bradley GBR KTM MotoGP Factory Racing (RC16) 1m 32.538s +2.563s
21. Laverty, Eugene IRL Aprilia Test Rider (RS-GP) 1m 32.568s +2.593s
22. Abraham, Karel CZE Aspar Ducati (Desmosedici GP14.2/15) 1m 32.699s +2.724s
23. Tsuda, Takuya JPN Suzuki Test Rider (GSX-RR) 1m 33.305s +3.330s
24. Rins, Alex SPA Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 33.761s +3.786s
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Decision of the Grand Prix Commission in Valencia
Sporting and technical regulation updates


The Grand Prix Commission, composed of Messrs. Carmelo Ezpeleta (Dorna, Chairman), Ignacio Verneda (FIM CEO), Herve Poncharal (IRTA) and Takanao Tsubouchi (MSMA) in the presence of Javier Alonso (Dorna) and Mike Trimby (IRTA, Secretary of the meeting), in a meeting held in Valencia on 12th November 2016, made the following decisions:

Technical Regulations - Effective Season 2017

MotoGP™ Class Sensors

Currently, MotoGP™ class teams may use non-homologated sensors in all free practice sessions and warm up. Because FP1, FP2 and FP3 are timed for inclusion in QP1 and QP2 these are, in effect, qualifying sessions. In future, use of non-homologated sensors is only permitted in FP4 and warm up.

MotoGP™ Class Aerodynamic Evolution
At the last meeting of the GPC in Motegi a limit on the number of upgrades that a manufacturer can make to the design of their fairing or front mudguard during the season was imposed. It has now been agreed that Manufacturers in their first season of participation are not subject to this restriction and can make unlimited changes subject, of course, to designs complying with regulations.


Tyre Pressure Management

Teams are already required to respect tyre use parameters which have been agreed in consultation with the tyre suppliers. A new regulation has now been agreed that prohibits the use of any device on the wheel to control or adjust tyre pressures whilst on track.

Safety Lights
It is no longer a requirement for the rider to be able to operate the safety light whilst on the motorcycle. (This is managed by the machine electronics).

Track Familiarisation
Previously, riders using road-homologated machines for track familiarisation, that are the same capacity as the class of the rider, were required to submit details of the machine to be used to the Technical Director for approval. To remove this requirement a list of permitted changes to the motorcycle will be included in the regulations which defines which parts may be changed.

Moto3 Chassis
Subject to certain restrictions on upgrades to performance parts and the use of 2017 sensors, teams are permitted to use a 2016 chassis in 2017.

Engines
The regulation has been clarified and now states that the machine may be propelled exclusively by an internal combustion engine.

Sporting Regulations - Effective Season 2017
Interrupted Races and Restarting
The regulations already state that to be classified in the results of a race, whether interrupted or not, the rider must enter the pit lane, riding or pushing their motorcycle, within five minutes of the chequered or red flag being displayed. When a race is interrupted after three laps have been completed then the same condition will now apply to be eligible to participate in any restarted race.


Restarted Races - Penalties
Any start position penalties applying to a rider in the first race. e.g. a drop of grid position or starting the race from pit lane, will now be considered to have been served at the original race start and will not apply to the restarted race, except when the first part was for less than three laps in which case the penalties will carry forward to the restart.

Pit Lane Safety
At the GPC meeting in Brno it was decided to restrict the number of mechanics working in pit lane during flag to flag races and to make it a requirement that such mechanics wore crash helmets. This requirement has now been extended to the two sessions of MotoGP class qualifying; QP1 and QP2.

Other Matters
Appointment of Official Fuel Supplier for Moto3™ and Moto2™
The Commission approved the re-appointment of Total/Elf as the official fuel supplier for classes from 2017-2019.
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I am almost positive that restart penalty modification was due to what happened to Quartararo in AUS. He started last on the grid, made it to the front, race was restarted, and they made him start from the back again, effectively penalizing him twice and killing his chances for a podium or even a win.

I hope they address quick restart procedures as well as some point, they were total chaos this season.

As for the 2 day test, I was really surprised at how well Folger did. To be honest, I've never felt he was that good a rider, or living up to expectation, but to have a top ten time, even in a test, with all the great riders in MotoGP says something.
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^ agree, and yes Folger certainly has adapted quickly to the Moto GP bike. Rins i'm hearing was the opposite..
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Rins on his crash, will prob be off a month with lesions on thoracic vertebra T8 and T12


Rins crashes on day two of Valencia test

New Team Suzuki Ecstar rider injured in Valencia; is expected to miss Jerez test

Team Suzuki Ecstar MotoGP™ rookie Alex Rins fell this morning at turn 12 at the Valencia test; first transferred to the circuit’s Medical Center for checks before being taken to “Hospital 9 de Octubre” in Valencia for further investigation. The Spaniard hasn’t suffered major injuries, but has lesions on thoracic vertebra T8 and T12. Rins will now remain in hospital and will probably be transferred to Barcelona tomorrow for further medical checks, but the injury is likely to force the young Spaniard to take a month off.

Alex Rins: “It was a pity to crash early today because I was eager to improve the feeling with the bike and we were following the correct work-plan with the team. I’m disappointed because this test was important to find out the first impressions and to get confidence with the bike, but unfortunately we can’t change what was happened. Now it’s time to come back home, take some rest; and then think about the pre-season. I would like to thank all the Team SUZUKI ECSTAR members for the kindness to me during these set-up days and for all the work they did to show me the best way to kick-off in the MotoGP world.”
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