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And Nicky gets lucky again...

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Dani will ride! There's no way a cut is going to keep him off the track.


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I hope so.

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Wow, how do you highside one of these current GP bikes? I think the last highside on one of these was by Hopper. I don't think that the cut will keep Pedrosa out. Either way, Hayden needs to grab podium in this race or it's a long ways to go. Pedro has a lot of issues with his front end. I think all of his crashes this year were a result of front end slide.

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This is quoted from cyclenews.com
"The young Spaniard injured his right knee and cut his left toe in a second session high-side. The official team press release said that his fitness to continue will be determined Saturday morning. But the MotoGP website said his participation in this weekend’s Malaysian Grand Prix, and even at next week’s Australian GP, has “been cast into serious doubt.” "

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If you've watched Dani race you can see how he could high-side himself. He's always getting to rear tire loose because he weighs nothing on a +200Hp bike and pushes it to the limit.


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How could you highside a gp bike?? Im thinkin how do you NOT highside a gp bike. 220hp.........
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it better be a bad f'ing cut in order for him not to race

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The edge... theres no honest way to explain it, because thoes who know where it is have gone over..
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Well it is a good thing for Nicky if robotface doesnt race, or races in pain but it is a great opportunity for Rossi!

I seriously think Pedrosa has a much better shot at the championship than Nicky. With him out of this race, Rossi could move into a very nice points position. Provided he wins on Sunday of course.

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Dani will ride. Last year, he had a fractured wrist which no one knew about it and he still won the championship.
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I hope so.

I like nicky but he is no match for Pedro.
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He must not be, considering Nicky is leading the points, not "Mini-me"....
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If you've watched Dani race you can see how he could high-side himself. He's always getting to rear tire loose because he weighs nothing on a +200Hp bike and pushes it to the limit.
The bikes have traction control. His weight is not a detriment as much as it is a benefit, especially in drives off the corner.

What "Mini-me" does have is the same problem Casey Stoner has and that's tucking the front end (The same problem Nicky had for a while). It's learning that these bikes are heavier than the 250s and load the front up pretty heavy on braking -- sometimes to the point of tucking the front end.

He didn't highside because of the rear losing traction, he high sided due to tucking the front and getting his knee caught on the curbing.
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He will ride. He is a tough dude.

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Its funny when I see; how could he crash, he has TC. Well then, why does some of the best F1 racer crash, they have TC too. TC only helps you, it doesn't do miracles.
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THANK YOU SilverSurfer! Mang, I wish people would do a little reading before they comment. Due to the traction control on these GP bikes, you REALLY have to be doing something wrong (like Hopper did back in '05 at the Sachsenring I think) to highside these bikes. Usually a highside occurs when the rear tire is slipping and all of a sudden catches and launches you. Due to traction control, most of this is moderated. Dani HS having caught his knee on the track.

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You know, it's those Dainese suits with the metal knee, shoulder and elbow pads. See those sparks. Metal and asphalt = catch and throw!

Dude, I don't think I've ever seen a highside in F1. You know the principles behind a highside right? Tire slippage leads to tire catch leads to rider tossed. Well, with TC properly dialed in, it'll moderate tire slippage before it gets wildly out of hand. That's part of the reason the 500s were so hard to ride.

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You know, it's those Dainese suits with the metal knee, shoulder and elbow pads. See those sparks. Metal and asphalt = catch and throw!

Dude, I don't think I've ever seen a highside in F1. You know the principles behind a highside right? Tire slippage leads to tire catch leads to rider tossed. Well, with TC properly dialed in, it'll moderate tire slippage before it gets wildly out of hand. That's part of the reason the 500s were so hard to ride.
The main reason the 500s were so hard to ride was a powerband that kicked in like a rocket. With a 500 you were either at full power or not. The powerband was VERY violent and being leaned over with minimal traction when it did kick in = baaaaad, baaaad things :)

BTW: Hopper had the mother of all high sides either this year or last year when he accidentally kicked his bike into a lower gear while cornering. It launched him about 15 feet in the air and he landed flat on his back. He's lucky he is walking.
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No amount of TC would help there LOL, thanks for the vid. Interesting POV and man can thouse cameras take a beating!!!
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How is Nicky lucky? I thought it took skill not to crash the bike? :beer:
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The bikes have traction control. His weight is not a detriment as much as it is a benefit, especially in drives off the corner.

What "Mini-me" does have is the same problem Casey Stoner has and that's tucking the front end (The same problem Nicky had for a while). It's learning that these bikes are heavier than the 250s and load the front up pretty heavy on braking -- sometimes to the point of tucking the front end.

He didn't highside because of the rear losing traction, he high sided due to tucking the front and getting his knee caught on the curbing.
I agree. But you know Dani has struggled even with traction control to keep the rear tire under him. Sometimes they get the traction control set up right and sometimes they don't. Sucks that he caught his knee on the curb though. What was it that he actually cut his knee on? Interesting view of a high-side though.



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I like Nicky and all, and I hope he wins, but I really see Pedrosa or Rossi stealing it away from him. Especially with Hayden's last race performance.

Hayden is consistent and all but he doesn't have that extra edge that Pedrosa and Rossi have.

How long did it take Hayden to get up there in the pack? 3 years was it? Then you have Pedrosa placing 2nd on his first ever MotoGP race.


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I agree. But you know Dani has struggled even with traction control to keep the rear tire under him. Sometimes they get the traction control set up right and sometimes they don't. Sucks that he caught his knee on the curb though. What was it that he actually cut his knee on? Interesting view of a high-side though.
I've noticed that, but Dani has complete control over the traction control settings. There are three settings for t/c on the RC211V.

High
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The times his rear starts getting loose is either at the beginning of the race (colder tires) or near the end (worn tires). I've heard it said several times that he is so focused on racing that he forgets to switch the traction control. Since it's not automatic my guess is that "Mini-me" waits until the rear breaks loose a few times before he remembers to switch it.

So it's my theory that when you see his bike getting loose it's not due to his weight as much as it is him not remembering to switch the t/c settings.
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Very good possibility SS. I remember them saying it was rider selectable but I didn't know they could do it on the fly. I'm pulling for Hayden but stone face worries me more than Rossi does right now.


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yup the switch is on the left bar. 3 modes i think....
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yup the switch is on the left bar. 3 modes i think....
I think those a map settings. I do not know if they have effect on TC or not, but I do know they have a map for bike launch only.
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yup,but i thought the map also did traction control
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Those are some sick pictures of the RC211V!

Hehehehe, Pedrosa looks like a little alien or a monkey...or an alien monkey walking around in that video. :icon_lol:

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As expected, Dani is riding but struggling in the FP3. They still have 42 minutes left plus QP and Warm-up before the race.
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