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MotoGP Brno predictions?

I know it's still two weeks away but what are you guys thinking is going to happen? I bet Stoner runs away with it as usual but I'm hopeful for Michelin. I hear Rossi has been testing their new tires along with chasis and engine parts.

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Thats a big ass track and HP and tyres could make the difference again :o(

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Well tires are always important. but a big track never helps with the Ducatis up to 10mph advantage.

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Ducati won there last year & they are the bike to beat this year, who knows what has happened during the mid-season break, i just hope Yamaha & Michelin got their acts together to build a competitive package for Rossi.

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Repsol was testing new engine parts over the holiday and might finally get thier stuff together. Nicky seems upbeat about Brno in his interviews. He's too far behind to win the championship, but the kid at least needs a win this year! Does anyone know if Chaz Davies will be riding in the gp at Brno in replacment for Hoffman?


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HRC says they will unveil the 2008 RC212V come Brno, maybe it'll be in screamer mode (revving to 21000rpm) to blast past the dominant Ducati's, Pedrobot & TD needs all the hp they can get.


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where did you get that info from? Seems a little early to be unveiling the 08 already when they were pretty far behind with the 07. but who knows, it is Honda. And I can guarantee you they dumped a ton of money into the 08. No way are they going to let themselves get beat by a tiny Italian shop.

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where did you get that info from? Seems a little early to be unveiling the 08 already when they were pretty far behind with the 07. but who knows, it is Honda. And I can guarantee you they dumped a ton of money into the 08. No way are they going to let themselves get beat by a tiny Italian shop.
the Ducati's stellar performance in the first half of the season caught HRC with it's pants down, the lack of good results (mostly complaints) with their current RC212V has left them no choice but to pull out their ace in the hole very early.

they underestimated their competitors very much, thinking their development program is quite far in front from Suzuki, Kawasaki, Yamaha & Ducati, they were expecting to dominate the opening races but then they got a rude awakening from Ducati, Yamaha & Suzuki.

we will see what the next gen RC212V will perform, only a few days to go & it's showtime.


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where did you get that info from? Seems a little early to be unveiling the 08 already when they were pretty far behind with the 07. but who knows, it is Honda. And I can guarantee you they dumped a ton of money into the 08. No way are they going to let themselves get beat by a tiny Italian shop.
Honda usually brings next year's machine out early. The RCV that Nicky rode in 06 was debuted in Brno in 05.

As for the screamer no one knows if they're going that route but Nicky's crew chief told me that their firing order hasn't changed all season so that leads me to believe that maybe they'll be trying something new at Brno.

I don't know if they'll be debuting a pneumatic valvetrain since Horiike-san said they haven't reached the limit of springs I'm sure they've looked into the possibility.

The only thing I'm wondering is whether the Repsol boys will try the new bike in the race. And I guess I'm also wondering if the satellite riders will run their updated packages in the race too. I'm particularly interested in seeing how the KR bike does with more horsepower.
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during the late 70's Honda's 4strokes were revving to 20,000+rpm with valvesprings & a couple of thousand more rpm's in reserve, with todays technology & advancements in the field of metallurgy we may see a 23,000rpm revlimit for a valvespring equipped engine.

do you think after 4years when MotoGP drops it's displacement to 600cc will we see 23,000+rpm & 200hp from a 600cc engine? will they increase the fuel tank capacity to 22L or 23L b'coz even with a 200cc decrease it will guzzle more fuel bcoz of the extra couple of thousand revs?


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Well if in fact Honda is bringing the new bike to Brno they must be pretty confident about it. They aren't going to rush a bike out so they must be pretty happy with it and confident that it's better than the Ducati. Let's just hope Michelin got a decent tire together over the break and maybe we'll see Pedrosa and Hayden up there battling with Stoner.

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during the late 70's Honda's 4strokes were revving to 20,000+rpm with valvesprings & a couple of thousand more rpm's in reserve, with todays technology & advancements in the field of metallurgy we may see a 23,000rpm revlimit for a valvespring equipped engine.

do you think after 4years when MotoGP drops it's displacement to 600cc will we see 23,000+rpm & 200hp from a 600cc engine? will they increase the fuel tank capacity to 22L or 23L b'coz even with a 200cc decrease it will guzzle more fuel bcoz of the extra couple of thousand revs?
The NR500 revved to about 22k so those kinds of revs wouldn't be a problem today. The question is would you be able to get more performance out of a pneumatic valvetrain at those rpms. And before you even get to that question you have to figure out a way to save enough fuel to make more power. There are several avenues Honda can take to increase fuel economy but I have to wonder if they will be made public.

As for Moto GP going to 600's, I doubt it. There'd be no point in it because as we've seen with the 800's it wouldn't necessarily be slower and it would just cost the teams more money. I think the 800's will be around for awhile, certainly longer than the 990's.
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Ducati and stoner and possibly capirex would have to be the favorite. After Bridgestones performance there last year, I would say based on that knowledge there bikes have the upper hand unless michelin can come up with something good.
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Honda usually brings next year's machine out early. The RCV that Nicky rode in 06 was debuted in Brno in 05.

As for the screamer no one knows if they're going that route but Nicky's crew chief told me that their firing order hasn't changed all season so that leads me to believe that maybe they'll be trying something new at Brno.

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The only thing I'm wondering is whether the Repsol boys will try the new bike in the race. And I guess I'm also wondering if the satellite riders will run their updated packages in the race too. I'm particularly interested in seeing how the KR bike does with more horsepower.
I've read that Honda wants to go to a pneumatic valvetrain. They just couldn't do it mid-season, so I bet it will be on the 08. I bet Hayden at least will race the bike because he's so far behind anyway. He really has nothing to lose. And the satellite guys prolly won't get the whole package until Hayden and Pedrossa are done testing it. But you never know. We'll just have to wait and see. It's going to be an exciting race though.

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