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Wow AMA racing is boring

Is it just me or does anybody else have trouble watching an entire Superbike race? It's so boring. Spies and Mladin every single race lapping half the field. It doesn't even feel like pro racing compared to WSBK and of course GP's.

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Agreed, every other type of bike racing I make sure I watch or record, AMA Superbike.....if its raining and nothing else to do, I'll watch it.
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HAHA!!! This is true, its funny the emphasis on the race is on who is coming in third for the last two races its been DUHAMEL and YATES. thats what I like to watch.



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I love motorycle racing but I just can't sit down and watch the whole thing. I usually put it on and cruise 600RR.net and look back every few minutes to see what's going on. It needs to get more competitive. Better racers, teams putting more money into it, more sponsorship, something though.

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they replayed the superbike race yesterday on speed around 2 and i got to watch it in the gym. i actually thought the first half of the race was pretty darn good. the pass for the lead what CLOSE, and Jake was mixing it up with some passes and repasses. yeah, i agree though its no SBK, but even if the bikes spread out in the 2nd half of the race its still motorcycles on road courses! ;)



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WSBK is imo the best racing this year week after week

AMA sucks for the top 2 but they usually don't follow Spies and Mladin the whole race when they check out so we do get to see some good racing (Miggy, Yates, etc are always fun to watch)

The other classes are usually great racing though; FX, Supersport, and sometimes Superstock are fun to watch

I'd like to see what Hodgson could do on the American Honda next year but I think he's got a shot at WSBK ride in Toselands spot so that might not work out. Hopefully he'll at least do a couple more AMA races this year on the lab bike though, he did pretty damn well.


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Yea WSBK is going to take a little hit though with Toseland leaving. I still can't believe he's going to ride motogp on a bad bike when he could be riding the brand new CBR1000 in WSBK.

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yeah, I thought the same thing
wasn't he one of the "I'll only go if I get a competitive ride" guys?
kinda missed the boat on that one lol


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There are a lot of details of Toselands ride for next year that aren't being announced just yet but I think he did a radio interview here and hinted that it will be full factory machinery running either Bridgestone or Michelin tyres. I can't find it word for word but he's quoted saying that the Yamaha offer was the only one on the table with 2008 spec machinery.

Seeing how well he's got everything under control with his racing right now and several options in front of him I just don't see him going into MotoGP for a 2nd tier satellite team like Tech 3 has been this year.
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I TiVo races. I find I usually fast forward through most AMA races......I have never really liked watching AMA.

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I love watching the AMA 600 classes. But Suzukibike sucks. And next year it will be the Mladin cup again. I bet Mladin wins every race next year. Maybe not 1 or 2, allowing for a crash or tire problems.

I hope Colin Edwards shows up stateside....
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WSBK is imo the best racing this year week after week
f0ck yeah. throw in WSS, did you see how Kenan whooped ass this season?

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I was ready to go out to Atlanta to watch the racing, but have decided against it. I love racing but its really hard to throw money at something I really can't stand behind.. Hopefully WSB coming back to the states will start a change in AMA..
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My brother and I were just talking about this. But to me, it beats not watching ANY bike races at all :01_thumbu
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f0ck yeah. throw in WSS, did you see how Kenan whooped ass this season?
The FIM Superstock 1000 is great too! Especially the bikes sliding into the turns when they all try to outbrake each other!
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I have to agree again WSBK is were its at this year. Thank you spec tires. Im glad its no longer the ducati cup.Although 08 will be interesting since the ducs cried and got there way again with the 1200cc rule.
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I have to agree again WSBK is were its at this year. Thank you spec tires. Im glad its no longer the ducati cup.Although 08 will be interesting since the ducs cried and got there way again with the 1200cc rule.
Yea but there are a lot of restrictions. Their minimum weight is heavier than the liters and they have to use stock rods and they have air restrictors. So really there isn't an advantage.

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so it the 1200 open to anyone or only the DUC's ? Say if honda wanted to build another v-twin can they use the 1200cc also ?
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so it the 1200 open to anyone or only the DUC's ? Say if honda wanted to build another v-twin can they use the 1200cc also ?
Yup. and there are rumors of Honda making an RC61 to do just that.

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The rules for the Dukes in 2008 are going to be monitored through the season - it's complicated but the restrictor sizes, specs etc are tied in with the points the 1200's score in the races.

It's put in simpler terms here http://www.crash.net/news_view~cid~5~id~149721.htm

and in lots of detail here http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...?article=29666 - event averages and all sorts, wonder how Ducati will play to these rules to get their best spec bike out there?

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Yup. and there are rumors of Honda making an RC61 to do just that.
I wish, I would love to see what honda would built, for another domiating V-Twin bike
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Although 08 will be interesting since the ducs cried and got there way again with the 1200cc rule.
I don't think this is quite accurate. V-twins in WSBK are allowed a lot more modification in the engine/intake department to be competitive with the I4's to make things fair. Problem is those modifications allowed (and required to be competitive) cost A LOT OF MONEY. One of the largest expenses comes from having to replace these engines 2-3x more than the I4's because of the engine work. This all adds up to the smallest manufacturer in the series spending by FAR the most money to be competitive. So they petitioned to be allowed more cc's and sacrificing their allowed modifications so that they don't have to spend so much more $$$ than everybody else.
Its obviously not about getting an advantage (duh, WSBK can slow them down any time they want if the duc gets too fast), its about the money that its been costing them to compete.


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I don't think this is quite accurate. V-twins in WSBK are allowed a lot more modification in the engine/intake department to be competitive with the I4's to make things fair. Problem is those modifications allowed (and required to be competitive) cost A LOT OF MONEY. One of the largest expenses comes from having to replace these engines 2-3x more than the I4's because of the engine work. This all adds up to the smallest manufacturer in the series spending by FAR the most money to be competitive. So they petitioned to be allowed more cc's and sacrificing their allowed modifications so that they don't have to spend so much more $$$ than everybody else.
Its obviously not about getting an advantage (duh, WSBK can slow them down any time they want if the duc gets too fast), its about the money that its been costing them to compete.
Thank you. I have grown very tired of arguing against the idea that Ducati is getting away with something with the new rules. Not only are they giving up the special mods they were allowed, they've agreed to run at a higher weight with air restrictors as well. Ducati has shown a good deal of fairness in going about the 1200 cc rule (even if the rules for twins were not fair in the past).
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and the other manufs even agreed it was fair but some "fans" still don't get it


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And I also think it's about production bikes and sellin them. Once they started producing the 1098 and couldn't race it, it kind of defeated the purpose of everything. They can't keep racing the 999 when they don't even make it anymore. They want to be able to race the bike they sell to customers. But if anything, Ducati gave in more and was very cooperative and professional about everything. They have no advantage at all with the new rules.

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I don't think this is quite accurate. V-twins in WSBK are allowed a lot more modification in the engine/intake department to be competitive with the I4's to make things fair. Problem is those modifications allowed (and required to be competitive) cost A LOT OF MONEY. One of the largest expenses comes from having to replace these engines 2-3x more than the I4's because of the engine work. This all adds up to the smallest manufacturer in the series spending by FAR the most money to be competitive. So they petitioned to be allowed more cc's and sacrificing their allowed modifications so that they don't have to spend so much more $$$ than everybody else.
Its obviously not about getting an advantage (duh, WSBK can slow them down any time they want if the duc gets too fast), its about the money that its been costing them to compete.

Didnt really look at it that way. Thanks for a different view. I am still wondering how it will affect the racing though. It seems to me this year the duc could was competitive but like you said its a money thing. they want to race the 1098 why not allow 1100 cc instead of 1200cc? Basically I think im trying to make any excuse to keep them at bay with the rest of the field because I love WSBK the way it is now. I dont want to see the Ducati cup come back..haha

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I agree AMA Superbike is boring. Watch AMA Supersport and AMA Formula Xtreme, that is where you will see some close racing.
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Yea but there are a lot of restrictions. Their minimum weight is heavier than the liters and they have to use stock rods and they have air restrictors. So really there isn't an advantage.
That's what they said for the 2 stroke 500s and the 4 stroke 990 of being equal power... whhooppsss!
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I guess its a matter of opinion, but I find all of the AMA Superbike racing to be very entertaining. I think it helps if you go to some of the races in person....gives you a better feel for what's going on and how fast and loose these guys ride.
The racing at VIR this past weekend was incredible and I had a hell of a fun time !
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i like to watch supersport. now that rog is in the points lead its making some good racing. now superbike is a little boring.
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