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Just 1 test session for Ten Kate 1000RR

Read this today with some surprise.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sp...kate2008debut/

Apparantly this is the only test session the Hannspree Ten Kate WSB team will do before the season kicks off. And it's not even at one of the tracks they will race. Not a good start to developing the new 1000RR, wonder what's the reason? Bikes delivered very late maybe.
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Sounds like its gonna be a competitive bike at least.

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Sounds like its gonna be a competitive bike at least.
Competitive?

D, that's muthaf*kkin Kenan Sofuoglu on that bike. That bike's gonna be monstrous.

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D, that's muthaf*kkin Kenan Sofuoglu on that bike. That bike's gonna be monstrous.
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Maybe, but that's a HUGE disadvantage! You only get one round to test... WOW! This is a brand new bike! WTF!?!?!?


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Maybe, but that's a HUGE disadvantage! You only get one round to test... WOW! This is a brand new bike! WTF!?!?!?
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. New bike and 1 test on a track they don't even race on. I was reading this on another forum, and everyone was saying that maybe they are just that confident. I guess they think since they won last year and they have Sofuoglu and Checa riding for them that this year will be easy. I dunno.

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Yeah I was thinking the same thing. New bike and 1 test on a track they don't even race on. I was reading this on another forum, and everyone was saying that maybe they are just that confident. I guess they think since they won last year and they have Sofuoglu and Checa riding for them that this year will be easy. I dunno.
Make no mistake, the reason Ten Kate has not tested the bike has nothing to do with them being confident. The truth is that any team in professional racing that is not run by idiots would prefer to have their new race machine available for testing as early as possible. The fact that Ten Kate is just running their first test with the new 1000RR is bad news.

Maybe the bike will be so good out of the box that they can still run up front with almost no development but usually that's not the way it works in pro racing. If I had to wager I'd say that Ten Kate probably won't be in position to win for the first few races. Ducati has had their 1098R ready for testing since the first offseason test so chances are they're going to be ready to win come race 1 in Qatar.

American Honda seems to be in a bit better shape, having got their first bikes in time for the first Daytona Dunlop tire test but I'm still worried that they haven't had very much time with the bike. Having Neil on the team will be a big help but they'll need to have a very well sorted out weapon to take on Spies and Mladin.
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American Honda seems to be in a bit better shape, having got their first bikes in time for the first Daytona Dunlop tire test but I'm still worried that they haven't had very much time with the bike. Having Neil on the team will be a big help but they'll need to have a very well sorted out weapon to take on Spies and Mladin.

I don't think American Honda bought HRC bikes this year. They haven't since 03 and I'm sure this is the same. They just buy regular stock 1000rr's and build them up themselves. Thus them getting them sooner. Also this is why many believe they haven't been nearly as competitive. HRC took a while to get a product to the Ten Kate boys and they are now full steam ahead with there own tweaks. They will be ok but I wouldn't suspect anything great, only hope.

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I don't think American Honda bought HRC bikes this year. They haven't since 03 and I'm sure this is the same. They just buy regular stock 1000rr's and build them up themselves. Thus them getting them sooner. Also this is why many believe they haven't been nearly as competitive. HRC took a while to get a product to the Ten Kate boys and they are now full steam ahead with there own tweaks. They will be ok but I wouldn't suspect anything great, only hope.
The last time American Honda ran HRC bikes was 2004. Ten Kate is not running HRC-leased bikes either. They do get support through Honda Europe and they do use HRC parts on their bikes but Ten Kate starts out with street bikes too.

Presumably the delay in getting the bikes had to do with the fact that the bike is not production yet and the factory may have still be finalizing details of the bike before they ramped them up on the production line. I think I'll ask the AMA team manager about that at Daytona though.
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I agree it's nothing to do with over-confidence - they must have only just got their bikes, the article says they're starting out with handlebar & footrest positions etc - all the stuff you do at the very start. It's a brand new bike and they've got 3 new superbike riders so their ideal test plan must have been a hell of a lot more involved than what they've actually achieved. At least in the US their season starts a bit later (Mid march?) and I don't know if the WSB rules have limited Ten Kate to just this 1 test away from the official sessions. They won't have had any feedback to give Pirelli about their 2008 tyres either. Not the best way for a top team to start the year off.

Ducati have a couple of test sessions under their belt plus some basic knowledge from the 1098's which have been running Superstock for a year.
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The last time American Honda ran HRC bikes was 2004. Ten Kate is not running HRC-leased bikes either. They do get support through Honda Europe and they do use HRC parts on their bikes but Ten Kate starts out with street bikes too.

Presumably the delay in getting the bikes had to do with the fact that the bike is not production yet and the factory may have still be finalizing details of the bike before they ramped them up on the production line. I think I'll ask the AMA team manager about that at Daytona though.

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I spoke to somebody at Ten Kate yesterday and he conformt that it was the only test for the new 1000RR. The reason being they got the bikes late. Remember they can't use pre production bikes as the bike has to be homologated. The have to use the new bike as using the old one would put them to far behind. So they will use the first couple of races to get some data and improve that way
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Gawd they're going to have their work cut out - an under-developed brand new bike with 3 new riders all from different backgrounds.

It wll be interesting to see how they perform for the first 2 rounds as they go straight from Qatar to Phillip Island. Nearly a month off after that but do the WSB rules limit them to which tracks they can test on and when?
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This rule prohibits private practice sessions on the circuits listed in the championship calendar after the conclusion of the year’s first weekend of racing, with the following exceptions:
a) one practice session within six days of the next race, on the circuit where it will be held, open to all riders;
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it is gunna be a great season..

who is the second rider for tenkate this year???


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it is gunna be a great season..

who is the second rider for tenkate this year???
Here are all the Honda teams in WSBK next year.

Ten Kate
Kenan Sofuoglu
Carlos Checa
Ryuichi Kiyonari

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Shuhei Aoyama

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Roberto Rolfo

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Incidentally, the Ten Kate lineup is FREAKIN' strong. Though Checa was mid-pack in GP, he's no slouch rider. Everyone knows Sofuoglu will be quick. And Kiyonari (BSB champ) is dang quick too. So, give them a decent bike and I'm sure they'll be competitive.

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Report out now from the 3 day test at Almeria

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sp...ncludetesting/

From how I read it some of the privateer teams will be running the 2007 bike this year?
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Its gonna be a tuff one to say the least, but if anyone can get to it, its the Ten Kate team. let see how they do, cant wait! Haga is going to be even more hungry this year too. Its too bad King James isnt on a Honda anymore, would have liked to see him on an RC212V...

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Mmm, that looks pretty good. I wonder how long it will be before Arrows and Akrapovic have their exhausts available for sale to the public.

The AMA 1000RR's look pretty good too. Someone on WERA forums posted up some pics of the bikes at the Fontana test from last week.

Won't be long now, WSBK will be on Speed on Feb 24, then Daytona and Qatar (Moto GP) will be the first week of March :icon_supe
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Mmm, that looks pretty good. I wonder how long it will be before Arrows and Akrapovic have their exhausts available for sale to the public.

The AMA 1000RR's look pretty good too. Someone on WERA forums posted up some pics of the bikes at the Fontana test from last week.

Won't be long now, WSBK will be on Speed on Feb 24, then Daytona and Qatar (Moto GP) will be the first week of March :icon_supe
Yeah, I cut and pasted those pics in the Picture/Video forum. They're hot! Thinking about defecting to the big brother 1K. What I love most is that they're still using the KR swing arm on the TK bike instead of the gullwing thing.

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Mmm, that looks pretty good. I wonder how long it will be before Arrows and Akrapovic have their exhausts available for sale to the public.

The AMA 1000RR's look pretty good too. Someone on WERA forums posted up some pics of the bikes at the Fontana test from last week.

Won't be long now, WSBK will be on Speed on Feb 24, then Daytona and Qatar (Moto GP) will be the first week of March :icon_supe
Here is the pic from the Wera board, apparently taken at the Fontana test:

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Here is the pic from the Wera board, apparently taken at the Fontana test:

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Here is the pic from the Wera board, apparently taken at the Fontana test
Already posted it up bro been talking about it for days! :)

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