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Are you sure? What is the price of an engine un-installation, case split, break down, parts replacement, re-assembly, and re-installation? Is it more expensive than a different, used engine? This isn't an aircraft engine. Usage of OEM engines is not measured in hours, it's measured in distance, which is a big distinction. There's enough buffer room built into a stock engine to make this kind of analysis redundant.

edit: Didn't see your second reply. So we're more on the same page then.

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edit: Didn't see your second reply. So we're more on the same page then.

Indeed, perfectly justified 👍 I'm just curious in how the T6 holds up on the fact sheet. Haha


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Lol cyclecruza is perhaps the worst dangerously popular vlogger that riders shouldn't take advice from. But t6 is good stuff.
Wow really ? So far I've followed his maintenance videos and how to's and it all seemed straight out the text book. What has he been wrong about ?
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295,000 miles, 11 trackdays, and running strong on the original clutch, that's the only proof I have that it's A-OK. Now I haven't run the T6 exclusively, but I did use it for quite some time without a single problem and it's still going strong to this day. Come to think of it, I haven't used a "motorcycle specific" oil in this bike since it had 5000 miles on it. So there ya go!

Yet people still argue with me that my oil is inferior and won't work in a bike
Omg... can you PLEASE do a blackstone labs test on your bike next oil change? I would love to see what the inside of that engine is like at close to 300k miles. What an unbelievable accomplishment.

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Omg... can you PLEASE do a blackstone labs test on your bike next oil change? I would love to see what the inside of that engine is like at close to 300k miles. What an unbelievable accomplishment.



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Omg... can you PLEASE do a blackstone labs test on your bike next oil change? I would love to see what the inside of that engine is like at close to 300k miles. What an unbelievable accomplishment.

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Hahahah not gonna lie, I'm actually kind of interested myself, lol. I've never done one..... I might just have to give it a shot and see

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I've checked out most Diesel oils here at Supercheap, and none of them are JASO MA or JASO MA2.

However, having a look at the Penrite site, they claim:

HPR DIESEL 15 is recommended for use in petrol, light duty diesel engines, LPG/Dual fuel & four stroke motorcycles including those with wet clutches. It is also suitable for use in petrol and LPG engines as a mixed fleet oil. It is NOT suitable for use in diesels fitted with a DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter).

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So I have no idea what to think now. :s
That oil is fine to use, in fact it's several grades above what Honda recommend.

MA and MA2 are specific motorcycle grades and they probably just didn't pay to have it tested against them, which doesn't mean they don't meet it.
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But are you going to pay for SOAP testing on your bike?
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No doubt, but duty cycles on jet engines, motorcycle race engines, and motorcycle stock engines are way different. Unless something has gone drastically wrong, I bet it's next to impossible to infer breakdown rates in a stock motorcycle engine until it's near end-of-life in the hundreds of thousands of miles (as it relates to the impact, specifically, of oil used and how that oil has affected the materials)
You'd be surprised how sensitive the test is. Catch is that they have to be done regularly over the life of the engine and the oil to be of any real value. When looking at the results of the test you're only partially interested in the absolute values, what you're really interested in is how they change.
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Wow really ? So far I've followed his maintenance videos and how to's and it all seemed straight out the text book. What has he been wrong about ?
You missed him on here.
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Hahahah not gonna lie, I'm actually kind of interested myself, lol. I've never done one..... I might just have to give it a shot and see [/url]
They send you the test for free. No credit card required. Sign up here: Blackstone Labs


It will take about 2 weeks for it to get to you, once it arrives just hold onto it and when you do your next oil change follow the directions. It is super easy. For them to analyze the oil it costs $25. And postage to send it to them is about another $3 but for $28 total they will tell you everything about your engine.

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You missed him on here.
Yeah, I'm still new on here so I have no idea what bad blood y'all have with CycleCruza. Care to give a brief rundown on what exactly happened ?
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But are you going to pay for SOAP testing on your bike?

I'm unaware of the acronym SOAP, but probably not...lol. I was thinking blackstone is the most practical also


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They send you the test for free. No credit card required. Sign up here: Blackstone Labs





It will take about 2 weeks for it to get to you, once it arrives just hold onto it and when you do your next oil change follow the directions. It is super easy. For them to analyze the oil it costs $25. And postage to send it to them is about another $3 but for $28 total they will tell you everything about your engine.



At least order the kit, even if you decide to not do it. There's no risk, it's FREE :D

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Yeah, I'm still new on here so I have no idea what bad blood y'all have with CycleCruza. Care to give a brief rundown on what exactly happened ?
I have no problems with CC, I actually really like his vids.

Problem is though he's kinda cheasy, his old intro was "bad to da bone" he's just an older guy who has an outdated style. He also sped up some of his videos so it looked like he was going faster than he was. Pretty lame in my opinion...

Other than that though I think he's a good guy. His recent videos are good. Anything made after 2014 is pretty solid from him. Before then?Eh... take it with a grain of salt.. lol

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He was on 250r.net for a while and stirred up a ton of **** and was banned.

Than he got an rr and joined us here. Trolled a ton, argued a ton, stirred up more than his fair share of trouble and helped himself to a ban.

Maybe he's turned things around but he's had a bad track record and doesn't take constructive advice very well.
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He was on 250r.net for a while and stirred up a ton of **** and was banned.
Indeed. "250 is an awesome bike mannnn", next minute "I just bought the six hunnit arrr arrr, the 250 is wayyyy to slow mannn".

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He was on 250r.net for a while and stirred up a ton of **** and was banned.

Than he got an rr and joined us here. Trolled a ton, argued a ton, stirred up more than his fair share of trouble and helped himself to a ban.

Maybe he's turned things around but he's had a bad track record and doesn't take constructive advice very well.
Yeah. I can see that happening. Wow, never knew he had such a messy past on the forums. lol

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Wow really ? So far I've followed his maintenance videos and how to's and it all seemed straight out the text book. What has he been wrong about ?
If you were here when he was, you'd understand.
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Indeed. "250 is an awesome bike mannnn", next minute "I just bought the six hunnit arrr arrr, the 250 is wayyyy to slow mannn".
1000s are too much man, you don't need a 1000.

*buys a 1000*

I don't have anything against liter bikes but this guy is so close-minded and tunnel visioned in his views I'm surprised more people don't pick up on it. He's not even a good rider, and his advice to his noob audience is stupid.

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I'm unaware of the acronym SOAP, but probably not...lol. I was thinking blackstone is the most practical also


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Spectrographic Oil Analysis Program.

Basically they fire a high power laser at the oil and measure the frequencies of light given off, which correspond to the different metals that exist in the oil.

Usually they'll do a few other tests with this one such as viscosity, TBN (total base number) etc etc.

Never heard of blackstone before, and that may be what they're doing and $25 is bloody cheap if it is...
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Spectrographic Oil Analysis Program.



Basically they fire a high power laser at the oil and measure the frequencies of light given off, which correspond to the different metals that exist in the oil.



Usually they'll do a few other tests with this one such as viscosity, TBN (total base number) etc etc.



Never heard of blackstone before, and that may be what they're doing and $25 is bloody cheap if it is...

Ahh ok, I'm unfamiliar with the actual process of their analysis but I assume that is the only way of measuring that small of a quantity of metal, since it is in PPM. I haven't looked into other companies or anything, I know if you're trend monitoring you should be using the same source continually however.


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CycleCruza was indeed an abrasive person.....glad he is not here anymore!

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T6 in my track bikes and TDI Jetta.
I've yet to read of anyone having any issue running this oil in the bikes. Or the diesel VW's.
Until I see some proof of failure due to the oil, I'm staying with it.
If those large industrial trucks and tractors running turbo's can use it, my little motor can handle it as I pussyfoot around the track lol.
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T6 in my track bikes and TDI Jetta.
I've yet to read of anyone having any issue running this oil in the bikes. Or the diesel VW's.
Until I see some proof of failure due to the oil, I'm staying with it.
If those large industrial trucks and tractors running turbo's can use it, my little motor can handle it as I pussyfoot around the track lol.
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I've been trying T6 on my different vehicles and so far i like it. About to hit 3k in the supercharged f150 and still looks new.
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Hmmm... about to do my first oil change.
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I'm currently running Liqui Moly 10W30 Racing oil in my supersport spec engine, so far so good & it's also endorsed by Honda in Germany. Not gonna try non-motorcycle specific oils in my engines, too expensive to gamble on stuff that isn't made for our bikes.

I've used diesel engine oil on an R6 before but only for flushing as it got flooded inside with water, after 2 flushes I poured in motorcycle engine oil.


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