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Mixing oils of different viscosity...?

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#1 ·
Hey guys,

Sorry if this has been asked, I cant find it though.
For my last oil change I put in the Rotella T 5W40 to see how itd work during the winter. Well, its that time agai to change the oil, but i think im going to go for the normal 10W40 this time. the thing is, i still have a quart left of the 5W40 and was wondering if i could mix this in with the 10W40 (~2 quarts). of course ill be using the rotalle T again... but is this bad? will this make my bike explode or cause it to grow wings and fly away...? but seriously, is there something that doesnt mix well? or would it just create something like a 8.3W40? thanks for the help guys
 
#3 ·
wrongggggggggggggggggggggggg. the numbers are viscosity ratings. your first number is viscosity rating at cold(startup). the W actually stands for winter. has been for many many many years and has just carried over. the second number is the viscosity rating for operational temp.(running temp). oils with 2 numbers i.e. 10-w40 are called multiviscosity oil, hence the viscosity changes over the temperature range. you should be alright mixing the oil but the biggest questing is why?? Obviosly Honda has spent countless years refining your engine and determining what oil you should use for it. So whatever anyone has told you on whats best for your bike(other than Honda) doesn't know the bike as well as they do. Stick with the proper weight for your temperature range, most cases is 10w40. Also, be sure you are using an oil that is suitable for motorcycles. Remember that your bike has a wet clutch unlike a car and requires specific oil(not saying you couldn't run plain jane penzoil), but it is not reccomended. Furthermore if you can afford an 8K bike, you can afford to take care of it right.
 
#4 ·
murphdog is correct... Number on left is the Winter weight of the oil measured at 32 Degrees F. and the number on the right is the Viscosity of the oil at 212 Degrees F.

NO, it is NOT OK to mix oils... No Manufacturer or Oil Manufacturer will say it is OK to blend oils unless they are the exact same oil. Even within their own brand.

Mixing your own cocktails is Never a good idea as Additive packs may vary between grades of even the same OEM.

If you think you need to blend oils or use an oil additive, you just need a better oil.

Bob
 
#5 ·
Hey guys, thanks for all the responses.
not to discredit any responses.. but i was searching a little more outside rr.net and found this from honda-acura.net forum. its quoted below. i hope this doesnt violate any copying/quoting rules, mods please delete if so. ill try and verify this too. any other thoughts?...

thanks!


Originally posted by Eric J
All mineral oils are produced from the same basic petroleum feedstocks. Different oil viscosities will not separate or react negatively to each other because the base oil is molecularly the same. It's the different oil additive systems between brands that shouldn't be mixed - if you're concerned about the oil performing exactly how it was designed.
Oil additives include:
Anti-oxidants to prevent thickening at high operating temperatures.
Pour point depressants which lower the temperature of wax coagulation
alkaline materials to neutralize acids formed during combustion.
Rust and corrosion inhibitors.
Detergents to reduce sludge and varnish.
Dispersant additives to hold contaminants in suspension.
Extreme pressure additives to prevent metal to metal contact under high loads.
Viscosity index improvers in formulating muilt-grade (viscosity) oils.

The exact type and amount of these additives varies between brands and when mixed may not function as efficiently as desired. Different viscosities of the same brand oil will have different amounts of viscosity index improvers (polymers), but otherwise the additive systems will be the same.

From the Chevron.com site:
"Can I mix different viscosity grades of motor oils?"
"Yes. It is always advisable to not mix motor oil brands, however, different viscosity grades of the same brand motor oil are compatible. Be aware that mixing viscosity grades will turn out a product that is different in viscosity than either what was originally in the engine or what was added."

From Shell.ca:
"If you mix viscosity grades such as a 5W30 low-viscosity oil and a 10W40 higher-viscosity oil, it is reasonable to expect that the resulting product will have viscosity characteristics which are thicker than the 5W30, but thinner than the 10W40. This change does not reflect incompatibility - it's simply a re-balancing of the viscosity characteristics. In all other ways, the product should work as expected. But there's absolutely no danger about incompatibility resulting from mixing engine oils," Miller says. "We've tested all of our grades and brands, and we haven't observed any problems."

From Mobil1.com:
"For our customers to choose a viscosity grade, we recommend they follow the engine manufacturer's recommendations as indicated in their owner's manual. There is no need to mix two Mobil 1 viscosity grades when one will do; however, we see no problem mixing different SAE grades of Mobil 1 Tri-Synthetic series motor oils."

I agree that mixing oil viscosities isn't really necessary though. 5W-30 is going to have the same viscosity as 10W-30 when the oil is hot... might as well just use 5W-30 for its cold temperature "flowability". So the viscosity mixing argument is kind of pointless
 
#6 ·
As you will note such as in the Mobil 1.... "we see no problem mixing different SAE grades of Mobil 1 Tri-Synthetic series motor oils."

They are only talking within the same line of oils.. That does not mean it is OK to mix any Product, say such as Mobil 1 EP with one of their other oils. Doesn't mean no either.

ALL OILS ARE NOT ALIKE.... Some manufacturers use the same stocks and additives throughout their line. Hybrid oils such as AMSOIL, Redline and others may not.

Unless you have it straight from the OEM, DO NOT Blend oils. unless it is in a situation such as you ran low on a ride. It is then advisable to change at the earliest possible time.

Bob
 
#7 ·
ok.. just found the link to the shell website with the quote:
http://www.shell.com/home/Framework...wgen/shell_for_motorists/oils_lubricants/motor_oil/motor_oil_mixing_shared.html

makes me feel a little better..

but yeah... all in all, ideally you would want to use the suggested weight that honda or whoever gives you i.e. 10w40. but from what i read it wont hurt if i mix one part 5w40 and 2 parts 10w40 one time in order not to waste my last quart of oil. dang.. all for saving a couple bucks..
 
#8 ·
thanks Bob, sorry, i didnt see your post till after my last one. i totally agree with you. but since im using shells rotella T oil, they (Shell) seem to think theres no problem mixing since they use the same additives and what not that are compatible. id like to hear you opinion on that. thanks!
 
#9 ·
Yes..... That is all I have been trying to say... Shell says it is OK to mix their oils with their oils... Super...

AMSOIL will not say that as we are a Hybrid utilizing various components to "Build" an oil for Specific Applications.... We don't even recommend mixing our M/C oils at this time.

But all manufacturers will say not to blend and run with other Mfg's. except in an emergency situation..

When they say "Compatible" they are saying it will not cause a catastrophic failure.

Bob
 
#14 ·
^^ how bought mixing among brands, but keeping the same viscosity?

Example: 2 quarts of mobil 1 mx4t + 1 quart of motul 300V (both synthetic and both 10W-40)

would that not be advisable? in other words, is it only viscosities that it's bad to mix? or is it also bad to mix brands, yet have the same viscosity?
 
#16 ·
I can't say this enough... ABSOLUTELY NOT !!!!

Different oils have different Additive Packs.. Not only that, you are mixing different basestocks...

Mobil 1 4T is a PAO oil and Motul 300V is an ESTER based oil..

Even Mobil 1 says to only mix oils which are the same within their own brand... The 4T is a Stand Alone Product.... Mobil 1 is a company, not an oil. They produce petroleum, Hydro-Cracked and PAO blends.

DO NOT blend oils unless it is an Emergency Situation and then change at the earliest possible convenience

Bob

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#17 · (Edited)
^^ ok, my understanding was always that as long as it's the same viscosity it was ok. synthetic blends for example sort of hint to the fact that it's ok to mix dino with synth etc... i've done it because i had two different types of oil, and i wanted to use them up before buying more. from now on - i will only use one type- thank you.

what is wrong with mixing different additive packs? what is wrong with mixing basestocks?
 
#18 ·
^^ ok, my understanding was always that as long as it's the same viscosity it was ok. synthetic blends for example sort of hint to the fact that it's ok to mix dino with synth etc... i've done it because i had two different types of oil, and i wanted to use them up before buying more. from now on - i will only use one type- thank you.

what is wrong with mixing different additive packs? what is wrong with mixing basestocks?

The biggest problem is the unknown Because they haven't been tested..

Will you blow an engine or cause damage immediately ? No

BUT, although the oils will mix in an emergency situation and get you home, it is recommended to change ASAP by all manufacturers..

I believe it is right on this forum where a guy kept on and on about mixing oils, additives and so on... I kept telling him additives are different...

He went on to post some analysis data of 3 oils including AMSOIL... He said something to the effect of how AMSOIL didn't have the same amount of additives as the other 2 oils... Some mor, some less..

I told him that he just proved what I had been saying all along.. Thread died and I haven't seen him since..

Use the excess oil in your lawn mower..

Bob

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#19 ·
Amen to the viscosity mixing being wrong!!!!

You should never mix weights, try this on a two stroke and watch what happens!!! I would never even mix brands, let alone weights.

Its very cheap to change oil, just dump it if you dont have what you need to replace it properly and get the correct weights and dont mix and match.