i sometimes dont use the clutch after 2nd and on...but its just instinct to do so...

 

today when i shift wit no clutch from first to second.... second gear kicked out back to nuetral... it was in second for maybe 15% percent of the gear and then it pop'd out what does that mean? sorry to swaggerjack your thread

 

i use the clutch 1st to 2nd, the rest of the way up, no clutch. when i down shift, the first two gear's i will not use the clutch. after that i'm on the brake so i can't "blip" the throtle. i've shifted 1st to 2nd clutch less. i don't care for the feal of it unless i'm fully accelerating. when i've done it at lower RPM, i've hit neutral from time to time. T.K.​

 

Why is this in the 07 thread first off? Second off your poll is hard to understand what are you asking when yuo say 1-2 3-4 blah blah. I clutchless shift from first all the way thru 6th I don't do it all the time but when I do its 1 thru 6 there for I am not voting becuase you dont even have an option for that.

 

I don't generally clutchless shift unless i'm giving it some.... or my clutch hand is getting sore from a long ride.

Never clutchless shift 1-2 tho, i just reckon it's too big a gap to do smoothly.


edit:
Poll isn't hard to understand at all. First option means you clutchless shift all gears. Second option means only second gear upward (ie, you don't do the 1-2 clutchless). Third option, you change into 3rd onwards clutchless. it's not that hard.

 

"i'm on the brake so i can't "blip" the throtle"

Why not?

 

"i'm on the brake so i can't "blip" the throtle"

Why not?

cause i'm better at grabing the clutch and down shifting. the first 2, maybe 3 gears, i have no problem "kicking" it down with out the clutch. after that i'm off the gas on the brake. i've tried "kicking" it while on the brake, but i have to "blip" the throtle while trying to slow down for a corner. when i do this it upset's my line/ entry. it's from the incorrect rev matching. i need more work on the down shift's (clutchless). so i just use the clutch. i'm not to worried about the millasecond's it cost me. T.K.

 

two finger the brake and roll he throttle with your ring and pinky fingers.

i clutchless all over the place. sometimes from 1-2, sometimes not. anywhere, doesn't matter. 1-2, 2-3, 3-4, 4-5, 5-6... back down...

 

now I don't even remember I used to use clutch while upshifting all the way. But as said earlier I avoid going 1 to 2 clutchless because I hit neutral a couple of times.

And kinda worried practicing downshifting clutchless, seems more difficult than clutchless upshifting.

 

i dont shift 1-2 w/o clutch because it has a tendency to hit neutral but 2 on up i usually shift w/o clutch unless im puttin around.

 

I clutchless shift from 2 on up but not all day. Unless you are moving at slower speeds there is some jerkyness. I think it is really jerky from 1-2 but I have noticed that the higher the rpms from 1-2 the smoother the transition. Clutchless downshifting is fun also. I accidently dropped from 6-5 clutchlessly on the freeway when I first got my 07 a couple of months back and have been having fun with that (but mainly on the freeway). I think the most fun is blipping because of the sound plus the amount of engine braking you get for approaching a corner as well as putting the bike back in its powerband and correct gear for the exit. But I really like the sound.
Has anyone done clutchless downshifts from 4 - neutral at a stoplight while holding the front brake to slow you to a stop? That's something I noticed about two weeks ago. I think what's happening is as you slow down there comes a point where the gear is too high for the speed and if the rider is applying pressure to the shift lever while this is happening, the tranny while slip down one 4-3. This happens until nuetral w/o clutch. Sorry if you did already know about this cause then I just look stupid.

I love motorcycles.

 

I already started this same thread with some very good answers and ideas in it. but I digress!

I only use the clutch to start from a stop, and to stop after I have DS to 1st via no clutch. I have done this for many years, seen very little difference in clutch wear or any damage to the cogs. once you get used to it you can become very smooth both up and down, I would even go out on a limp and say smoother then using the clutch.

I am planning on creating a video tutorial of exactly how to do this, mostly down as that seems to be where most people are hesitate and have problems.

Regards,
Sherlock

 

I would love to see a video demo of how to do downshifting without clutch

 

Clutchless Downshifting

Dito I Need That To Be In A Video So I Can See It Happening I Know It Can Happen But I Think I Would Get A Better Understanding If I Saw It Thanks.

 

doesn't that hurt the clutch/gears or whatever. I sometimes shift without using the clutch but I am not sure if this could be ruining something!
And the video would be a great idea. I saw something about clutchless downshifting here : http://www.sportrider.com/ride/RSS/146_0404_smooth_operator/

 

the crunch you hear sometimes is the lash in the transmission forcing pressure on the chain through the front sprocket. it's normal.

 

sorry if the post is kinda confusing

the first option basically means clutchless 1-6

but for the guys who clutchless 1-2, do you find that its jerky? theres been times where i have done its very smooth and flawless, and there have been times applying that same technique turn out to be jerky.
im trying to practice on the 1-2 transition.

i haven't dare to to downshifting clutchless yet... so lets seethat video! hah

edit: and about why i didn't post it in the general board, is cas out of natural instinct, im always 98% of the time on the 07 board.

 

for the guys who clutchless 1-2, do you find that its jerky? theres been times where i have done its very smooth and flawless, and there have been times applying that same technique turn out to be jerky.
im trying to practice on the 1-2 transition.

I think it is a matter of the rpm's being higher, it will shift easier...

Today I just tried clutchless down shifting. It almost seems counter-productive, if I'm doing it right. What I mean is that I let off the gas to slow down, twist the throttle to get the rpm's up, down shift and repeat. So it speeds up a little before i down shift, i think i like it better just using the clutch. Am I doing this right?

 

It all depends on the rpm...

on my commute I sit at low revs so I tend to use the clutch. However, if I'm really going for it there's no need for the clutch :burnout:

 

even at higher rpms do you guys still notice the jerk? cas i do sometimes

 

I answered I dont do it at all, but now that I think about it... I sometimes do it when I am lazy and on the freeway. Going from 6th to phantom 7th

 

i usually don't do it but if i do, it is in the 2+ range. i know a couple people that do it all the time, even when down shifting.

 

I rarely shift without clutch, but if I'm on it hard on the onramp or something I'll clutchless upshift all gears. I especially don't do 1-2 unless I'm over about 10k rpms... but once in the higher range I will. Never had a problem hitting neutral that way.
And as for downshifting, I don't have the mad skills to do that. I can see that being potentially ugly if you lock up the back tire for a sec in a clutchless downshift... but I don't know much

 

simply quicker and less clutch wear at higher rpm's to do clutch less.

 

i seem to hit nuetral on the 1-2 shift so i clutch it.. after that.. no clutch

 

I go clutchless after 2nd. When I''m WOT 1st to 2nd is not so smooth and I mean w/ a clutch.
Do you guys, who clutch 1st to 2nd, just clutch into the friction zone, pop to 2nd keeping the throttle wide open all the while?
I know I was rusty, but man I'm still way rough(meaning not smooth) on this bike.
Jim

 

If I'm just cruising around, I'll clutch 1-2-3, then clutchless the rest; 3-4-5-6.
If I'm going over 7KRPM, I'll clutchless 1-2 and all the way to 6.
If I'm not in a hurry to stop/lazy I clutchless 6-5-4-3-2 then always clutch 2-1.
I still use the clutch for all the downshifts on the twisties and If I need to get to a certain gear quickly.

Maybe I'll go out and do a demonstration video with BrowningBucks gear indicator tonight, lol.
Maybe someone can criticize me on if I'm doing it right or not. All I know is it works for me.

 

If I'm just cruising around, I'll clutch 1-2-3, then clutchless the rest; 3-4-5-6.
If I'm going over 7KRPM, I'll clutchless 1-2 and all the way to 6.

so how smooth is it when ur doing the 1-2 clutchless?

i was just out for a ride tonight to try and pratice my 1-2s, and i hit neutral and grinded 2nd for a bit twice!

and when i tried with clutch at WOT again it poped out a couple times,
thats when i got really frustrated like wtf was going on

anyways, i did a couple more 1-2s and still no luck getting it baby smooth, and now im all skeptical about messing up the tranny in my 07 :sad11:, and everytime i WOT 1-2 w/ clutch im skeptical it will pop out again, lame

 

it's about 50/50 depends on how lazy I am. I'll use the clutch sometimes but others I clutchless it up. But I always use it while racing.

My 1-2 is pretty quick and efficient with just a 2 finger flick method. Just in enough... click 2nd then let the lever fly out.... hardly rolling off the throttle. Usually produces a small power wheelie.