[Guest]

I'm going to disagree with pretty much all of you on the Rosso's since it looks like none of you have them or have even really read up on them at all, this isnt just the "new" tire from Pirelli, its a totaly new, remade tire compared to the old Diablo, it has the new EPT technology which gives it up to 7-10% more contact patch than any other street tire out there, combined w/ the front it provides supieror dry and wet performance, like someone said above, the front moves the water so that the rear can grip. Anyone notice the nude shoulders on the rear? Look familiar to track tires maybe, this wasnt an accident, you guys should check out the utube vid of track riders checking this street tire out on the track, nothing but good reviews, tires warm up after 2 turns, very little wear after a day of racing (these guys usualy put new skins on after one day) Pirelli is also claiming that they have designed these to wear at almost the same rate (F/R) (i wont know for another 3-4k miles). All in all, i expect that this will be the new benchmark for the other competitors to try and match, these have only been out for a few months now, only time will tell. i believe the Corsa III's may be better as far as grip goes but they are sticker and not so much an all around great tire for us reg street guys, less life, less wet grip, more money. check some links out, read a litte before making a call on something u know little to nothing about, Pirelli hasnt been in the tire business for 100 years because they are mediocre.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNQGx3qtL5A

http://www.pirellityre.com/web/motorcycle/diablo_rosso/product/description/default.page

-peace

the rosso is a great dry weather hyper-performance tire. NOT A SINGLE PERSON HERE IS DISPUTING THAT FACT. The youtube video you posted does NOT evaluate the tire's wet weather performance. i could ride on a slick in the rain, does that mean it's a great wet weather tire?! of course not. It wouldn't be very exciting, but it's doable. the rosso is not a rain rated trackday tire. at all. that's what the OP is looking for, only he's never going to track it. he wants wet track tire for the street. THAT'S NOT THE ROSSO.

Pirelli has made great tires, and none of them suck... for the purpose they were designed to fill. that's all pirelli has done for as long as i can remember. purpose made tires for hypersport conditions.

not a good way to start out your 600rr.net addition friend. welcome to the forums.

 

[stubAdub]

rosso

why isnt a good way to start out? its my opion, do u have a set of these? have u personally rode in wet conditions on these tires? im just curious why u keep saying these are NOT good tires for the wet road. why arent they? everything ive read and experienced says different, im not trying to piss anyone off at all, these are just opions being posted back and forth, ive got a set of these, and everything ive read about them & experienced on them thus far is very positive, its like me saying a gsxr is a pos but never have ridden one. that wouldnt make much sense, now if youve ridden on these and have had a bad experience in the wet then i would understand more where your coming from, but then it all depends on what you were doing and what kinda wet, as far as im concerned pretty much any tire on a slightly wet city road is going to suck simply because of all the greasy film that hasnt had time to wash off. thats just how sht is.

 

[Smallssssss]

Is the DCIII more of a street tire or track tire?

 

[Guest]

why isnt a good way to start out? its my opion, do u have a set of these? have u personally rode in wet conditions on these tires? im just curious why u keep saying these are NOT good tires for the wet road.

I didn't even read the rest yet. This is why you aren't making a good start here. That's not what i said at all! I said, and a quote:

"the rosso is not a rain rated trackday tire."

Now how does that translate to "not a good wet road tire" to you?

but then it all depends on what you were doing and what kinda wet, as far as im concerned pretty much any tire on a slightly wet city road is going to suck simply because of all the greasy film that hasnt had time to wash off. thats just how sht is.

ah ha! now you just brushed on what I'm saying! the rosso a dry track focused tire, not a wet track focused tire. i'm sure it would be fine on the wet street so long as you're not riding like you would if you were at the track. are we on the same page?

 

[stubAdub]

rosso

*he wants wet track tire for the street*

unless i missed one of his post im not sure where he said he wanted a wet track tire for the street, he did say that he wanted "Lean angle and performance in the wet", the rosso is a great all weather tire for the street along with many other +'s. that said you should dig the sand outta your vag and quite getting so worked up over some options. its not like either one of us sells this sht, its just options. here's a little review clip from motorcycle usa, ive still yet to find any bad sht about these tires.


"we mounted the Diablo Rosso on our friend, Matt Ambroziak's '07 Yamaha YZF-R1. With the recent wet weather in Southern California, he got a chance to test the tires in pavement-soaked conditions and came away impressed.

"The tires are good in the wet. Unfortunately for me right now my only means of transportation is my bike, so rain or shine, I'm riding. But these new Pirelli's were good. I didn't have any problems whatsoever and could still cruise down the freeway faster than my fogged-up face shield would allow," said the avid street rider."

 

[Guest]

*he wants wet track tire for the street*

unless i missed one of his post im not sure where he said he wanted a wet track tire for the street, he did say that he wanted "Lean angle and performance in the wet", the rosso is a great all weather tire for the street along with many other +'s. that said you should dig the sand outta your vag and quite getting so worked up over some options. its not like either one of us sells this sht, its just options. here's a little review clip from motorcycle usa, ive still yet to find any bad sht about these tires.

since when does "lean angle and performance in the wet" mean "just and average tire"? if he wants lean angle and performance in the wet, he's not commuting to k-mart.

also:

"we mounted the Diablo Rosso on our friend, Matt Ambroziak's '07 Yamaha YZF-R1. With the recent wet weather in Southern California, he got a chance to test the tires in pavement-soaked conditions and came away impressed."

"The tires are good in the wet. Unfortunately for me right now my only means of transportation is my bike, so rain or shine, I'm riding. But these new Pirelli's were good. I didn't have any problems whatsoever and could still cruise down the freeway faster than my fogged-up face shield would allow," said the avid street rider."

this is not an review based on lean angle. also, it is not a review of wet conditions. a dampened road is not a wet road, and a dampened freeway is not a place conducive to performance and lean angle.

 

[MXRider]

stubadub, what other tires have u tried before?
have u ever ran a set of dc3s or 2cts before the rosso tire?
the rosso is not as advanced grip wise as the dc3, all the info u posted on the rosso is on the pirelli site, we have read into it.

all we are saying is there are many people who have ran different tires and are giving their feedback from personal experience.
many have said the diablo is very tough to beat in the wet, and thats what the OP is lookin for.

 

[pangerang]

Is the DCIII more of a street tire or track tire?

All of the tires mentioned are street tires. DC3's are a good trackday tire

I was looking at the Corsa III's. I thought the Rosso's would be better than the C3's.

I'm looking for a sticky tire in the turns and a tires that performs well in the wet.

You're comparing 2 different types of tires. They both have dual compound, corsa 3's have a softer compound giving it better grip (so a better trackday tire), but you won't get nearly has many miles out of it compared to the rossos. IMO all tires are sticky enough for the street, but all tires take x amt of time to warm up (unless of course your a knee dragger on the street too)

You should be comparing the Michelin PP2ct's and the Corsa 3's, and then comparing the pilot power road 2's with the rossos. PP Road 2's and the Rossos are an aggressive sport touring tire that are both dual compound, while the 2cts and the corsa 3s are dual compound sport tires (trackdays, aggressive canyon carving/twisties). After you figure out what type of riding you will be doing and why type of tire you will want, I'm fairly certain you won't notice any performance differences between the 2 brands. You'll just need to figure out if you like the taller profile of the michelins (quicker turn in, almost like the bike drops/falls into turns) compared to the profile of the pirellis (smoother, more fluid turn in).

 

[Guest]

you know what's funny? I was trying to find the Rosso's on Pirelli's website... and they aren't there.

http://www.us.pirelli.com/web/catal...moto_catalogoDett.page?categoria=/catalog/moto/hypersport/none&vehicleType=MOTO

 

[pangerang]

you know what's funny? I was trying to find the Rosso's on Pirelli's website... and they aren't there.

http://www.us.pirelli.com/web/catal...moto_catalogoDett.page?categoria=/catalog/moto/hypersport/none&vehicleType=MOTO

http://www.pirellityre.com/web/cata...d=90919&uri=/pirellityre/en_IT/browser/xml/catalog/moto/MOTO_MV_DIABLOROSSO.xml

 

[Guest]

where the hell?! I click the tyre>Pirelli range>hypersport catagory, they are there. i click back to hypersport, gonzo.

weird.?!

 

[THE BHIZZLER]

Huh>...probably havent updated their page... I just picked up a set of rossos and so far so good. still climbing to my 100 mile mark tho. just put 60 on it yesterday. I think all this discussion on here is great! different angle, great ideas..

 

[Smallssssss]

i still haven't bought a tyre yet and am still looking.

What is the wear rate between the 2CT's, DCIII's and the Rosso's ?

I guess what I want out of a tyre, is 5000mi rear wear rate, something that is good for just going back and forth on the highway, but also great and gives me confidence in corners and sticks like hell

 

[snikwad]

the rosso is just a replacement for th eold diablo corsa, the regular ass diablos.
the 2ct is a dual compound tire, for which pirellis answer is the corsa III.

all these people can yap all the fuk they want, the bottom line is the 2 tires are really in different classes, your comparing a street tire with dual compound that is pushed as a track tire, to a regular ass sport street tire, that is pushed as a bad ass everyday street tire than can hang at the track.

apples and oranges really.

here's how it goes... from aggressive track tires to touring, from softer to harder...

1800 slicks - Diablo superbike <<----- 110% track tires
Power Race - Diablo Supercorsa
2CT - Diablo Corsa 3
Pilot Powers - Diablo Rosso (replaced the old diablo corsa)
Pilot sport - Diablo strada


Got it??

 

[snikwad]

have a read...

http://www.1000rr.net/forums/showthread.php?t=41053&highlight=pirelli+diablo+rosso

 

[sooperman12]

Don't matter which tire you pick. You either can't or shouldn't push a tire so hard on the street that you cause it to fail. And even if the tire fails to adhere, it's more likely rider error than a fault of the tire. That being said...

The tire you need to consider are: Diablo Rosso, Pilot Road 2, or the likes.

Sure, you can pick up a dual compound tire, but you won't get the kind of life you're looking for in a commuting tire. Contrary to what's been said, the Rosso tire is improved across the board, including wet weather traction over the staid and true, Diablo tire. The improved tread pattern (which has more treading than the DCIII) as well as the EPT technology ensures you'll have excellent wet weather traction.

Don't be put off by the treadless shoulders. If you're pushing so hard that you're on the edge of the tire, in the rain, on the street, then you're lucky to be alive. However, it is a very trackable tire, as evident by the MotoGP riders who took it on a few hot laps around Jerez on their respective manufacturer's liter bikes. Trust me, you and your skill level will NOT overwhelm this tire.

So, go home, order a set of Rosso's, rest easy and write a raving review about how great the tires are compared to the ones you squared off!

 

[Revvin' Evan]

Way to be the voice of reason soop! Very well put.

 

[maine]

Get the Rosso's man. I bought a pair recently and love them to death. Like you I was looking for a good street tire that also provides good grip in the rain. I havent been to the track with yet but Im planning on going in a week or so. But I can say that they are an awesome street time. GREAT grip better than the original Diablos in the wet and dry. I've push the pretty hard( 2 fast for street) and they still feel great. Hope that helps some since it seems like me and you have similar riding styles.

 

[maine]

Oh and I've alsready put about 2000 on them and they seem to wear Very well.

 

[Johnmark101]

*he wants wet track tire for the street*

unless i missed one of his post im not sure where he said he wanted a wet track tire for the street, he did say that he wanted "Lean angle and performance in the wet", the rosso is a great all weather tire for the street along with many other +'s. that said you should dig the sand outta your vag and quite getting so worked up over some options. its not like either one of us sells this sht, its just options. here's a little review clip from motorcycle usa, ive still yet to find any bad sht about these tires.


"we mounted the Diablo Rosso on our friend, Matt Ambroziak's '07 Yamaha YZF-R1. With the recent wet weather in Southern California, he got a chance to test the tires in pavement-soaked conditions and came away impressed.

"The tires are good in the wet. Unfortunately for me right now my only means of transportation is my bike, so rain or shine, I'm riding. But these new Pirelli's were good. I didn't have any problems whatsoever and could still cruise down the freeway faster than my fogged-up face shield would allow," said the avid street rider."

I would imagine the Rosso is a decent tire in the wet.......however the Corsa III would probably be even better in the wet since the sipes on the rears reach the edge of the tire, allowing it to channel water away from the tire better when leaned over.

If I knew I was going to be riding in wet conditions often, I would choose the DCIII or even the standard Diablo over the Rosso.

Even the standard Corsa, which I used on my bike years ago, (excellent tire by the way), was designed so that the front cleared a path for the rear on wet roads.

All that being said.....I have no doubt the Rosso is a great sport bike tire, since the standard Diablo was no slouch. I like the idea of the nude shoulder on the rear tire for improved dry grip at steep lean angles. I am putting the DCIII's on my bike since I will be doing a track day or two as well as some spirited street riding.